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Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:07:00 -
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No this isn't another I hate FoxFour thread.
The real reason is simple......
It's all about the MMOFPS tag that is accompanying this game, you see their canno't be the MMOFPS without PC. Therefore the debacle that is PC was/is just a marketing/legallity that had to be attached in order to be Officially Released with the MMOFPS tag.
We all know what Dust would be/is without the so called Eve connection, just another dull FPS.
Also the ammount of people actually participating in PC is so low it was obviously for sales purposes.
Thanks CCP for another gimmick. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:10:00 -
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We're going to need a Plessy v Ferguson case to get any involvement between EVE and Dust 514 that actually matters for both sides. If you look at the EVE forums, they want as much involvement in Dust as much as we want involvement in EVE. |
Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:11:00 -
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PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:11:00 -
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Great point, more noticibillity wouldn't hurt. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:13:00 -
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Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail.
Who would front 80 million with servers worse than instabattles?
BTW it was terribly explained, actually it has never been explained outside foxfour's fanfest presentation, so blame ccp for people not understanding what it is. |
McFurious
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:14:00 -
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The PC we have currently is beta. It needs work. That's why it's not going so well. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:16:00 -
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McFurious wrote:The PC we have currently is beta. It needs work. That's why it's not going so well.
If it's a beta, why didn't we have it in beta?
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Nimerae
LineZerkers
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:McFurious wrote:The PC we have currently is beta. It needs work. That's why it's not going so well. If it's a beta, why didn't we have it in beta?
Because the game itself is still in alpha |
McFurious
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.15 19:58:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:McFurious wrote:The PC we have currently is beta. It needs work. That's why it's not going so well. If it's a beta, why didn't we have it in beta?
I know they consider Dust 514 "released" but when your release build has the same or more problems as your last beta, I don't think it counts. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:04:00 -
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"Full Release" should mean "Game Works"
Regardless of how much content, the content Must Work properly, or be fixed in a timely manner. What was said of the PC lag? "It takes sooooo much time to pass certificates through Sony, so you must wait untill next build".
Not Complete game, as well as Broken. Confirmed.
But they can say....MMOFPS though. |
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:11:00 -
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Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
You clearly don't talk to your own corp mates who contributed to the PC failed threads that have been around lately. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:13:00 -
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Wow, and to think I almost missed another "conspiracy" thread. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:14:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail. Who would front 80 million with servers worse than instabattles? BTW it was terribly explained, actually it has never been explained outside foxfour's fanfest presentation, so blame ccp for people not understanding what it is.
There was about a 60 page thread going over every tiny detail about how PC would work many weeks before it was launched. Granted many things went awry and did not work properly but every aspect of the intended system was fully explained - perhaps it wasn't sent out by email or instantly visible to everyone who plays Dust but it was there in a big ol' sticky for anyone who was paying attention. |
FoxFour Failed
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 21:19:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Derek Shonnesey wrote:Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail. Who would front 80 million with servers worse than instabattles? BTW it was terribly explained, actually it has never been explained outside foxfour's fanfest presentation, so blame ccp for people not understanding what it is. There was about a 60 page thread going over every tiny detail about how PC would work many weeks before it was launched. Granted many things went awry and did not work properly but every aspect of the intended system was fully explained - perhaps it wasn't sent out by email or instantly visible to everyone who plays Dust but it was there in a big ol' sticky for anyone who was paying attention.
No tutorial? Might be why Nobody plays it. 1% visits the forums? Your a forrum junkie, you dont count.
Ingame PC explaination......loool
Nothing but a 30 page forum, lol thats funny. Didnt you complain about PC awoxing last month. |
PlanetSide2 PS4
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:50:00 -
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here is my theory
Pc will be fixed by christmas when ps4 and ps2 come out |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:54:00 -
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NO THE REASON IS SIMPLE
NOT A SINGLE DAY OF TESTING ON THE FEATURE |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.16 00:52:00 -
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Weird we never seen PC when the game was actually in "Beta" phase.
Come full release and never tested. Weird. Oh well, anyone debating the reasons for the lack of success with PC?
Remember I believe it was a Legallity for the MMOFPS tag, in which dust was nominated at e3 for.
Anyone? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:02:00 -
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Nimerae wrote:Cosgar wrote:McFurious wrote:The PC we have currently is beta. It needs work. That's why it's not going so well. If it's a beta, why didn't we have it in beta? Because the game itself is still in alpha
Wouldn't that imply that PC is from the future?
Wait, THE GAME GETS WORSE!? |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 01:20:00 -
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imo and in many other critics out there it's actually false advertising to call 16 vs 16 an "MMO" |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.16 05:51:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:imo and in many other critics out there it's actually false advertising to call 16 vs 16 an "MMO"
My point exactly watson my dear boy. |
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Geth Massredux
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:10:00 -
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Hold up, PC failed?? I mean we still playing it till this day...
- Geth |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:16:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:imo and in many other critics out there it's actually false advertising to call 16 vs 16 an "MMO"
Right, so by adding real worlds to capture they juuuuust barely made it an mmo. Last second. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:19:00 -
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No idea why PC "Failed" to you, but all my bros are playing it like crazy. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.16 06:23:00 -
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Without PC their would be no mmofps.
Pc was rushed out broken in order to legally sell the phrase mmofps with dust.
1% of dust player base plays PC. |
Planetside2 SchitsonDust
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.16 16:53:00 -
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You have very valid points of contention, I cannot rebut. |
Derek Shonnesey
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.16 18:36:00 -
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+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö
So ok thanks for agreeing I guess |
Planetside2 GOTY
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:47:00 -
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Reason PC failed in detail |
PlanetSideTooPS4
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:17:00 -
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My in depth report |
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:21:00 -
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Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail.
PC was a failure. Be glad we decided to remove STB from PC instead of KEQ. People were chomping at the bit to remove KEQ btw. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:32:00 -
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I remember posting that PC would suck due to its mechanics of the defender getting to pick the battle time and it equaling put your best 16 out there all the time, lo and behold PC sucks for this reason and others.
But honestly I still think the biggest reason PC is bad right now (beyond technical issues) is there is no point because there is still no connection to Eve. Being able to drop different orbitals vs. standard MCC orbitals does not cut it for an Eve connection. Right now there is so little advantage to having help in space that its ridiculous. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:29:00 -
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So many people in NPC corps have a lot to say about PC... |
Travis Snyders
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:19:00 -
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The lagg killed PC from my side of things.
Wasn't stable games. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:We're going to need a Plessy v Ferguson case to get any involvement between EVE and Dust 514 that actually matters for both sides. If you look at the EVE forums, they want as much involvement in Dust as much as we want involvement in EVE.
And both sides will burn CCP to the ground if even the slightest thing goes wrong with the integration.
I'm okay with them being cautious. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:48:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:Weird we never seen PC when the game was actually in "Beta" phase.
Come full release and never tested. Weird. Oh well, anyone debating the reasons for the lack of success with PC?
Remember I believe it was a Legallity for the MMOFPS tag, in which dust was nominated at e3 for.
Anyone?
What you want us to say?
You are right.
Though i doubt "legality" is a problem. We can chat with EvE online players...so it is an MMO. We can shoot people so it is an FPS.
Also who is going to sue? The clan of proper gaming nomenclature?
CCP made a promise and tried to fill that promise and failed when it shoved PC out the door....no legal claims necessary. |
Code Slucid
Not Guilty
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.17 22:55:00 -
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I'm bored/tired of PC... it blah! :c |
Travis Snyders
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.18 00:23:00 -
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I created a video of my concerns |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.18 02:13:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSI |
Dustin Peril
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.18 04:22:00 -
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What is the definition of failure in the gaming sence?
I dont think dust has failed |
Mikey HeLikesIt
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.18 16:09:00 -
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PC did not fail, hit detection failed |
STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:55:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked. You clearly don't talk to your own corp mates who contributed to the PC failed threads that have been around lately.
What does their opinion have to do with his? Same corp but individuals often do have differing views.
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:26:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:Blamejudg3s KEQ wrote:PC didn't fail. People just didn't understand how a war worked.
The server system though, that was fail. Who would front 80 million with servers worse than instabattles? BTW it was terribly explained, actually it has never been explained outside foxfour's fanfest presentation, so blame ccp for people not understanding what it is.
It was fully explained though some of the theoretical stuff didn't pan out, actually it did just the way i knew it would but couldn't get people to visualize it unti it went live (timers and other stuff).
But as far as understanding PC and how it works it freaking ez mode. Sorry it just is, i don't think im some super genius that has better insight i simply read the info and figured it out so really anyone can especially if they read the BLOGS, forget the forum post that was waaaay too long and unnecessary to read through
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/planetary-conquest/
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/an-update-dev-blog-for-planetary-conquest/
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/the-launch-of-planetary-conquest/
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/how-planetary-conquest-will-work-on-launch/
And this wiki which summarized pretty well too
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest
Sorry there was more than enough info here. If people cant get onto a website to look at stuff maybe they shouldn't be running a dust corp. Was it simple and straightforward not really but it certainly was the farthest thing from complicated just simply a burden is all.
Maybe thats why IMPS managed to turn a profit in PC and a nice one at that.
As far as fixing PC well the feedback has been given and i've provided a clear cut foundation for putting PC in the right direction combine it with some other stuff and it will be fine if the core FPS of this game ever gets fixed. |
Greg Dopson
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:06:00 -
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I never frequented these forums untill recently so I guess I missed the memo.
IF there was ANYTHING ingame or on the message board ingame. I figure I would have more respect for such game mode, but as it stands now the lagg gas been effecting the mode in a bad way.
SO fail in regards to letting the rest of the population that plays the game know these things instead of creating threads for the forum junkies.
Not well explained OUTSIDE of these forums |
Peoples Champs
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:31:00 -
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If pc failed then why are people still playing it.
Pc not fail, pc just laggs and has no actual point other than petty chainge and bragging rights |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:33:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:"Full Release" should mean "Game Works"
Giggity |
Mikael Murray
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:45:00 -
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Greg Dopson wrote:I never frequented these forums untill recently so I guess I missed the memo.
IF there was ANYTHING ingame or on the message board ingame. I figure I would have more respect for such game mode, but as it stands now the lagg gas been effecting the mode in a bad way.
SO fail in regards to letting the rest of the population that plays the game know these things instead of creating threads for the forum junkies.
Not well explained OUTSIDE of these forums
Good point. Not everyone is on the forum looking for game mode explination threads, not to mention IT WAS 60 PAGES LONG.
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:09:00 -
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Derek Shonnesey wrote:Without PC their would be no mmofps.
Pc was rushed out broken in order to legally sell the phrase mmofps with dust.
1% of dust player base plays PC.
Dude you pegged it right on the head |
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:24:00 -
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Feedback appreciated
Here is what I think
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.06.22 05:25:00 -
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote:
he wants feedback on spam. |
Yani Sing
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:10:00 -
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The laaag has killed the mode. Also the grind of being up till 4am gets old fast |
Greg FREESEr
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.23 00:35:00 -
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OP got great points ccp take note, we figured out why you rushed pc, its ok we forgive you. |
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