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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:18:00 -
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Excuse me if I have problems making a coherent thread, I am good at trolling, not writing long serious posts.
I was an EVE player for a few years, and I have always wanted to play Dust 514. My PS3 was my preferred place to play (Sorry PC Master race, consoles are just more fun to me) so having a game in the EVE universe on my PS3? Sign me on! I managed to get into the beta, and while the game was glitchy I enjoyed it, for a while. Here we are, 14 months later, and the game is... not that different. The game still has a glitchy feeling, the graphics have only slightly improved (except for the lighting, but everything else is still bad), we got maybe, what, 3 new maps? And content wise we barely got anything. In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect.
I love CCP, I love the idea, but the execution is subpar. I supported this game for the longest time, I dropped more money on it than any other game to support it, but in 14 months you have barely advanced. I am constantly providing feedback and talking to the devs on IRC, I am very active on the forums, I am very dedicated to this game and I brought many of my friends to try it. But I'm starting to get tired of this game. The excuse that it is Free to Play doesn't hold much water, its just a business model, you still make money off of it, and there are plenty of games coming that are free to play and are polished and fun. With the PS4 on the horizon, and games like Destiny, Planetside 2, Warframe, Blacklight retribution and more, you won't have the benefit of being the only Free to Play shooter on a console. These games are far more polished than Dust514, and while yes they don't have a connection to EVE, we barely see it in Dust either. Oh so EVE ships can drop orbital strikes!... What else? What about players that don't participate in PC? Where do they see the connection? This game MUST get into gear and start releasing content, fixing bugs and GETTING THE CORE MECHANICS RIGHT. Seriously, this game was in development for like what, 5-6 years now? And you still don't have the aiming nailed down? You have 5 more months until the PS4 drops, if this game isn't up to par by then to at least by fun, you are going to lose a LOT of players, me included. I will still keep checking in on the forums, talking on IRC etc', since this community is the best part of Dust. But I won't be playing, and I won't be dropping a single cent. This is a wake up call, get into reality CCP, this game WILL DIE if you don't get into gear. I say this because I want this game to be awesome, I don't want it to fail, I want it to rise through the ashes like EVE did.
Here is a video of someone who thinks like I do about the game, so this is what I just wrote only in video form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCYslKa9P5c
Please CCP.
And I won't give you guys my stuff, its mine |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:24:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I'm just going to assume this is an elaborate troll post. No, this time I'm serious. This game is a trainwreck of a mess, I have been supporting it for 14 months, providing feedback and dropping money on it to support the devs since they have an idea that I love. But enough is enough. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:29:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:CCP definitely need a wake up call, this game is on the verge of getting stomped like the Xbox one did. Nah, not even Dust can get stomped like the Xbox Juan. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:42:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:CCP definitely need a wake up call, this game is on the verge of getting stomped like the Xbox one did. Nah, not even Dust can get stomped like the Xbox Juan. Lol ok, but still those games are going to damage this game we have grown to love/hate/love. I'm guessing the player counts will drop by 70%. Then only the die hard fanboys that can't see the faults in it will remain. Or maybe this game will become good and it won't be hit by those releases, but who knows. I don't have any hopes for this game anymore.
"For example wee saw BF4 commander mode YEARS ago for Dust 514." Commander mode has existed since BF2, way before Dust 514 was even in the planning stage. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 01:46:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I know you care, a lot of people that kitten post on us care more about this game than blind fanboys because we're honest enough to give criticism whether it's constructive or not. Hell, we care so much that it's hard to express it in words and it comes out in the form of kitten posts. Thanks. And I agree. The fact that we even bother to join the forums, its already more than what most players would do when they play such a frustratingly bad game. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cosgar wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Cosgar wrote:I know you care, a lot of people that kitten post on us care more about this game than blind fanboys because we're honest enough to give criticism whether it's constructive or not. Hell, we care so much that it's hard to express it in words and it comes out in the form of kitten posts. Thanks. And I agree. The fact that we even bother to join the forums, its already more than what most players would do when they play such a frustratingly bad game. I wouldn't outright say Dust 514 is bad. More like flawed and boring at the moment. DS 10 was right on all his points though, even the one about CoD. We need more for this game to be successful. Back in Chrome, my argument was that unlike those AAA floozies that put out after you spend $60 and another $30~40 for her sister DLC to join in, Dust is like that girl you meet at a party, get to know, date for a while, and later move in with. She may not be the prettiest, the best cook, or even the best in the sack, but you'll be glad you met her. Unfortunately with the competition so fierce, Dust is turning into that mistress you spend time with because she's free and you're still waiting on/can't afford Ms. Retail... Best analogy ever! Made me chuckle lol |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:55:00 -
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Major Stewie wrote:the current gameplay is not enough for dust 514 to be successful.
edit: meaning at its current rate dust 514 is doomed to failure Yup, what I'm saying in a nutshell. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 03:35:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:TL;DR
Learn how to paragraph the correct way, its still a wall of text.
Cat Merc wrote: Excuse me if I have problems making a coherent thread, I am good at trolling, not writing long serious posts.
I always try to refine my threads slowly to make them more coherent, but I never get it on the first go. I don't have time now to do it, but later today. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:24:00 -
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Reefersmokintaz wrote:I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc.
If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Excuse me if I have problems making a coherent thread, I am good at trolling, not writing long serious posts. I was an EVE player for a few years, and I have always wanted to play Dust 514. My PS3 was my preferred place to play (Sorry PC Master race, consoles are just more fun to me) so having a game in the EVE universe on my PS3? Sign me on! I managed to get into the beta, and while the game was glitchy I enjoyed it, for a while. Here we are, 14 months later, and the game is... not that different. The game still has a glitchy feeling, the graphics have only slightly improved (except for the lighting, but everything else is still bad), we got maybe, what, 3 new maps? And content wise we barely got anything. In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. I love CCP, I love the idea, but the execution is subpar. I supported this game for the longest time, I dropped more money on it than any other game to support it, but in 14 months you have barely advanced. I am constantly providing feedback and talking to the devs on IRC, I am very active on the forums, I am very dedicated to this game and I brought many of my friends to try it. But I'm starting to get tired of this game. The excuse that it is Free to Play doesn't hold much water, its just a business model, you still make money off of it, and there are plenty of games coming that are free to play and are polished and fun. With the PS4 on the horizon, and games like Destiny, Planetside 2, Warframe, Blacklight retribution and more, you won't have the benefit of being the only Free to Play shooter on a console. These games are far more polished than Dust514, and while yes they don't have a connection to EVE, we barely see it in Dust either. Oh so EVE ships can drop orbital strikes!... What else? What about players that don't participate in PC? Where do they see the connection? This game MUST get into gear and start releasing content, fixing bugs and GETTING THE CORE MECHANICS RIGHT. Seriously, this game was in development for like what, 5-6 years now? And you still don't have the aiming nailed down? You have 5 more months until the PS4 drops, if this game isn't up to par by then to at least by fun, you are going to lose a LOT of players, me included. I will still keep checking in on the forums, talking on IRC etc', since this community is the best part of Dust. But I won't be playing, and I won't be dropping a single cent. Do you want to know why your entire community is bitter? Its because of this, its because you have been making promises for 14 months and done barely anything. This is a wake up call, get into reality CCP, this game WILL DIE if you don't get into gear. I say this because I want this game to be awesome, I don't want it to fail, I want it to rise through the ashes like EVE did. Here is a video of someone who thinks like I do about the game, so this is what I just wrote only in video form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCYslKa9P5cPlease CCP. And I won't give you guys my stuff, its mine If by some miracle, this game survives into the next 2 years, I might come back, but it doesn't seem like its going to happen. Have you seen the 33 minute video from E3 that was posted today? Yes. So? CCP have promised many things and delivered half baked versions of what they said. I won't be drinking the kool aid any longer, I will believe it when i see it with my own eyes.
Also, those new plates put a sour taste in my mouth for the whole trailer |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 13:58:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Reefersmokintaz wrote:I am an EVE fanboy and I am appalled at CCP's content releasing. Too little, too far in between. EVE did not have all the flashy stuff it does now. When I first tried EVE WAY back when it was like a year or 2 old, it SUCKED, bad. Then I tried it a few years later and have been paying ever since. Console gamers are NOT that patient compared to PC gamers, we can see that ofc.
If CCP would release some new stuff in small patches, that would be excellent. Every 3 months or so wont cut it for a few new guns and suits. I'd be happier for 2-3 new things in weekly patches and tweak them with hot fixes. Then add new variants of whatever it was with a new build b/c they SHOULD be balanced by then. I mean, I dont really know how Sony works with all the stuff CCP makes and puts out.... Just my 2 cents At the first few years of EVE CCP made updates like rabbits on heat. They were half baked and buggy. Then the boot.ini stuff happened so they started working slowly to make sure **** like that doesn't happen again. lol what no so much wrong here. I wasn't there from the start. I have a friend who has been playing it from 2003 and that's what he told me. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 15:31:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You just said what the majority of the community is thinking, in one long, serious, coherent thread. Kudos to you sir. Thanks |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:17:00 -
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In my honest opinion, KB/M shouldn't exist on a console shooter. Its far too accurate for controllers to compete. And the best part about consoles is the comfort of controllers. And sure you can use a controller on your PC, but you won't be competitive with the KB/M people, especially without any aim assist. If you are going to implement it, don't restrict it. That's like inviting a homeless man to a dinner and tell him you are only allowed to smell the food. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:28:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Don't go away mad... just go away. But see, I don't want to go away. I am forced to go away. I want this game to succeed, but its so terrible I just can't play it and have fun. Out of 8 matches I had today, I had a bit of fun in ONE. JUAN UNO ODIN
A day ago I played 5 matches, and didn't have fun in any.
I just see games like Planetside 2, Battlefield 4 and more, and just think "Why am I still here? 14 months later and not even 0.05% of that 'potential' has been reached". Its an awesome concept, but it was given to developers who are not capable of realizing the concept. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:37:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) If I didn't care about this game you wouldn't even know I exist. Heck I wouldn't even bother checking if this game has a forum. Stop being blind fanboy, this game is going to die if CCP doesn't start fulfilling their promises and get into gear. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 20:41:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Seriously, it's okay to take a break for a while... it beats trying to force CCP to do what you want by yelling so loud that they can't ignore you. Sigh. I'm yelling because I care about this game. Its the only game trying to fulfill what I want. The idea of being a space mercenary in New Eden is exactly what I wanted. If this game fails, I probably won't be seeing anything like it ever again. That's why I'm doing it.
There are many games, and I mean MANY, I tried out and just forgot about because they were mediocre. Came back to them a year or so later and I enjoyed them. That's what I normally do.
But this time its different. |
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Posted - 2013.06.13 21:04:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:In this time, a team of developers could make a whole new game, and it would still be better in every other aspect. WRONG! name one game that was developed in 14 months. Development takes from 2 to 3 years....with lots of games taking much longer. I said better in every way. Now, when I'm saying better in every way, what am I comparing it to? Dust 514. Doesn't mean its going to be good, just that in this time anyone could surpass CCP. And mind you, this game has been in development for 6 years. Masterpieces were crafted in that frame of time, including Half Life 2. |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 11:12:00 -
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Summer-Wolf wrote:This game has been in development for more than that.
Hell, the first "trailer" was at E3 over 2 years ago.
For the amount of time they had, to have this as their "launch", it is one of the worst launch of FPS ever.
Hell, its the first game on console you could spend real money in a "beta".
I have played beta in other games and usually all items were free due to balancing.
I paid anyway, because I believed in the dream.
Now that the beta is over and we arent satisfied with the game, we cant get a refund.
Pretty under-handed IMO. To be fair, out of the 5 years of development: 2 were spent making the Carbon engine version of Dust. 3 were spent making the Unreal Engine 3 version of Dust. But still, 3 years is more than enough to get basic things like aiming right -_- |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 12:37:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) Thats because the game still has time to get fixed, the fact he is still here and many of us are still here, is that we love this game so much we actually have hope it will be fixed and up to speed in ~6 months. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell. |
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:02:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:The E3 2011 trailer was definetly not rendered in the carbon engine. If you look at the modelling and notice the graphical style similarities, it is much closer to the chrrent build than the previews from 2009 and 2010... Just touched up with some post effect editing.
This means they were working with the Unreal Engine since at least 2010 to get all those assets modeled and rendered in game. If you give it a mid 2010 start date for use of Unreal Engine, that means they have had at least DUST in development for 24 months roughly prior to closed beta starting, and now a total of 36 months of development at this moment.
...and they still don't have basic movement and shooting down? Wtf were they doing? Marketing. |
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Posted - 2013.06.15 09:49:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Planetside2 F2P2013PS4 wrote:Yes game is boring and not fun nuff said.
Vote with your wallet! Not like planetside is any better :\, Destiny is my go to game. Well, it is better. Much better than Dust 514 is :\ But at least our devs communicate with us and theirs don't, right? ... Oh wait... |
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Posted - 2013.06.15 16:29:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Blah blah blah... you obviously aren't being forced to go away because you are still here QQing up a storm! ;) What happens when all feel like this do go away as you say, enjoy your empty game world. You need to realise for a game like this to work you need every one on board not just the fan boys or the down ward spiral will continue, you need to ask people to stay and not be so short sighted. Yes, finally someone who gets it. Negative thinking breeds negative result. Yes this game has flaws, but they are fixable. There is no game out there without flaws and glitches, NONE. When ps4 hits and we are all playing ps2 we will have many complaints and find glitches, just right now this is the game we are playing. Go play cod that you pay 60 bucks for and look at the flaws and connect issues and troll thier forums, you'll see a lot of the same complaints. I remain positive and hopefull. Also new players that join the forums to learn about this game and get help from some of us senior players get turned off by all the negativity, leading to player drop off, the bigger problem this game has my friends. That's all fine and good, until you realise that in 14 months of being positive CCP have done barely anything. Why would they, if the entire community is singing praises to them?
We will be positive once they actually give us a reason to be positive that isn't Soon(TM). |
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Last I checked, new players barely come on here unless to tell us they're quitting because they don't feel like grinding for months while padding someone else's KDR. Yeah, foregoing matchmaking was totally worth it... They do have matchmaking. But either its not working properly, or the game is so bad they can't get a good enough pool of players to pull from to match us. Or both. |
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:06:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Cosgar wrote:Last I checked, new players barely come on here unless to tell us they're quitting because they don't feel like grinding for months while padding someone else's KDR. Yeah, foregoing matchmaking was totally worth it... They do have matchmaking. But either its not working properly, or the game is so bad they can't get a good enough pool of players to pull from to match us. Or both. The matchmaking is based off of the ELO system. This means that player SP and gear choices are not thrown into the equation, therefore the broken system we have now. The new system (from the E3 presentation) will supposedly address this issue. Feel free to flame / rage at the fanboi. I enjoy cigar burns on my arm. Just... please call me scum as you do it. Don't understand your last sentence. But what you did just tell me is that its working properly, just that the system itself is bad. Hmm... |
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:14:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Cosgar wrote:Last I checked, new players barely come on here unless to tell us they're quitting because they don't feel like grinding for months while padding someone else's KDR. Yeah, foregoing matchmaking was totally worth it... They do have matchmaking. But either its not working properly, or the game is so bad they can't get a good enough pool of players to pull from to match us. Or both. The matchmaking is based off of the ELO system. This means that player SP and gear choices are not thrown into the equation, therefore the broken system we have now. The new system (from the E3 presentation) will supposedly address this issue. Feel free to flame / rage at the fanboi. I enjoy cigar burns on my arm. Just... please call me scum as you do it. Don't understand your last sentence. But what you did just tell me is that its working properly, just that the system itself is bad. Hmm... What I meant by the last line was that whenever someone posts in defense of the game, they're immediately covered in raw steak and thrown into a bear cave. Quite brutal, really :v lol I wish I could defend this game any further. But I'm sick and tired of hearing CCP's excuses for why we can't have a functioning game, not a great game, just functioning, after 6 years of development, and more than 14 months of community feedback and suggestions. |
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:35:00 -
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Alikar Mougar wrote:You cant please them all.
what do they say here in new eden Harden the Fuch up You mean the EVE new eden? This is a game that I will gladly play, as it is fun. Dust 514 however, can't even get BASIC stuff right.
Dust 514: You can't please them all, so we just don't try. |
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:24:00 -
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WASTED MERC wrote:Kitten Empress wrote: Dust 514: You can't please them all, so we just don't try.
But most games can please most players who play them By being Call of Duty/Battlefield. I don't want this game to become COD/Battlefield, I want it to be Dust 514. I just want it to be the GOOD Dust 514, the one we were promised. |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:11:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Crash Monsters wrote:Why would ccp need to keep you happy?
The game is free. LOL @ Crash Monster s! I smell "meta-game" on the way... CCP needs to build a game without so many issues that irritate people... all the rest is just whiny noise by people who don't seem to realize that everyone has an opinion and that theirs is no more important than anyone else's. Funny, but your opinion is in the minority. Look at the forums. Look at the reviews. This game is broken at its core, and it needs fixing. And CCP should listen because they want our money, if the game is broken, we won't be satisfied hence no money. BTW I am a paying customer. Well, WAS, a paying customer. |
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Posted - 2013.06.21 03:17:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:If you don't like the game leave. If you want to like the game a) take a break b) don't play as much Hope this helped lol And yet another person who zero reading comprehension |
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