DUST Search - We're mercs - why don't Eve players control our contracts?

Cruor Abominare wrote:

Rofl. This was on boots on the ground and I laughed when they said it too.

No one in eve would pay us to do anything. Some pi bonus and fuel cost reductions? Lol, eve isn't interested. Instead we'd have a bunch of districts not being fought over.the only thing this mechanic would be used for is to transfer isk from eve chars to their dust characters.

In the grand scheme of things, no one gets their jimmies rustled over the state of some low sec pocos over temperate planets of all things, no one cares about saving less than 40m a month on a tower, it would literally take longer for the contract set up than it would to just farm the isk.

We don't actually fight over worthwhile things, hell fw is mostly epeen since it doesn't actually impact isk farming in fw.

So until planets start being worth tens of billions a month for an eve Corp, no one in eve will care or have a large and meaningful impact on sov, no alliance in eve will care.

On the latter the powers in eve and the players that matter will not allow dust to be anything more than a token effect in eve sov warfare, and eve that mechanic is still half a decade away at least.

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Django Quik R.I.f.t 657	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:36:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, so the instant battles are supposedly hi-sec, so it makes sense that those should be NPC corps contracting us mercs. Faction warfare contracts of course come from the respective factions. My main point is that Planetary Conquest should not be controlled by Dust corps. In low-sec the territory should be held by Eve corporations, similarly to how Faction Warfare is done. When an Eve corp wants to attack another Eve corp's territory, they put up however much isk they want to Dust corps to help lower the flipping conditions Eve side. To give the Eve guys a way to stop just any old corp taking their isk even if they're rubbish and won't help at all give Dust corps employment histories/ratings that are dependent upon success in their contracts. Also make it so that Eve corps can optionally specify individual Dust corps to contract to. I'm sure people with more insight into Eve lore and mechanics can expand on this further or give some other points of view but it just makes sense that if we're supposed to be mercenaries, we are hired by people who own land - mercs don't own land themselves!
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3508	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:38:00 - [2] - Quote meh i like the fact dust corps can control districts EVE players controlling it really doesnt help that much it actually makes, at least for me, care less for PC
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 256	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:40:00 - [3] - Quote 2 reasons 1- its easier for ccp to let mercs control districts because if eve did it would require economic motivation and ccp isn't ready to integrate the economies. 2- A bunch of nerds last year demanded "dust" players own districts because they only think of the big picture and not the actual detail of implementing it
Cruor Abominare Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:49:00 - [4] - Quote Rofl. This was on boots on the ground and I laughed when they said it too. No one in eve would pay us to do anything. Some pi bonus and fuel cost reductions? Lol, eve isn't interested. Instead we'd have a bunch of districts not being fought over.the only thing this mechanic would be used for is to transfer isk from eve chars to their dust characters. In the grand scheme of things, no one gets their jimmies rustled over the state of some low sec pocos over temperate planets of all things, no one cares about saving less than 40m a month on a tower, it would literally take longer for the contract set up than it would to just farm the isk. We don't actually fight over worthwhile things, hell fw is mostly epeen since it doesn't actually impact isk farming in fw. So until planets start being worth tens of billions a month for an eve Corp, no one in eve will care or have a large and meaningful impact on sov, no alliance in eve will care. On the latter the powers in eve and the players that matter will not allow dust to be anything more than a token effect in eve sov warfare, and eve that mechanic is still half a decade away at least.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 522	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:51:00 - [5] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: 2 reasons 1- its easier for ccp to let mercs control districts because if eve did it would require economic motivation and ccp isn't ready to integrate the economies. 2- A bunch of nerds last year demanded "dust" players own districts because they only think of the big picture and not the actual detail of implementing it I dont know why "mercs" wanted to own planets.........
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 187	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:52:00 - [6] - Quote OP has a good point.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3508	Posted - 2013.06.12 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: 2 reasons 1- its easier for ccp to let mercs control districts because if eve did it would require economic motivation and ccp isn't ready to integrate the economies. 2- A bunch of nerds last year demanded "dust" players own districts because they only think of the big picture and not the actual detail of implementing it I dont know why "mercs" wanted to own planets......... cuz its not just about mercs there was also talks of empire building so thats why being pure mercs = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz instead of forcing everyone to be mercs cuz lets be real most wont get work let ppl have the choice....cuz as i said me being a pure merc means nothing cuz tbqh i wont really give 2 ***** whether i win or lose (obv ill try to win) but if i lose its no biggy for me no real consequence
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. The Superpowers 122	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:07:00 - [8] - Quote Wait until we expand to other regions. Molden Heath is a pretty useless area and that is the only reason we are being allowed to take districts there. At least that's how it is in the lore. If you read the news reports, there are concerns of what would happen if and when mercs expand into more valuable and lucrative territory. Can you say foreshadowing? Yes, at the moment no one cares about us. However, they will care when we're knocking down the doors on some prime real estate. Even more so once we take districts that are equipped with planetary defense systems to take down capsuleers. Also, capsuleers will be able to contract us for titan boarding and protection. The corp that effectively uses both games will come out on top. Though of course, this all stuff that is coming SOON(tm).
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1588	Posted - 2013.06.12 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote PC is the *only place* where it is "Our War" as the new trailer claims. Every other match it's someone else's war we fight. So if you pull DUST district ownership the trailer's message becomes a complete lie.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 659	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:04:00 - [10] - Quote Okay good points all round and makes me think more on this... Maybe dust ownership of districts should be a null sec thing. Have Eve control our low sec territory like i suggest but in order to 'incentivise' eve players to actually use dust corps, make the effects dust can have greater. Also make it so that if an attacker and/or defender doesn't put any cash up for dusties, the battles get put up as a public mercenary battle and a standard amount of isk is charged. That way eve is affected whether they like it or not.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 142	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:13:00 - [11] - Quote Watch the merging economies Fanfest presentation as to why EVE players aren't able to do this yet. Also since ISK is worth more in Dust so not only would we see our FPS player base demanding ridiculous amounts of any operations they go on. What EVE player would listen to the outrageous demands of a Dust Merc unless that merc understood some sort of business strategy.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 659	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:21:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Watch the merging economies Fanfest presentation as to why EVE players aren't able to do this yet. Also since ISK is worth more in Dust so not only would we see our FPS player base demanding ridiculous amounts of any operations they go on. What EVE player would listen to the outrageous demands of a Dust Merc unless that merc understood some sort of business strategy. Dust corps wouldn't be demanding anything. Eve corps put out a contract with a saw offer and any dust corp that meets the rating requirement can take the contract. If the eve corp puts too low a rate and too high requirement out, no one will take the contract and the eve corp risks it going to public entry.
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 384	Posted - 2013.06.12 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote The only answer to why Eve players dont control our contracts which is the whole sole purpose of the creation of dust----------------- Drum roll... 5min later- drum roll Soon(TM) - Geth
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 142	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:06:00 - [14] - Quote Django Quik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Watch the merging economies Fanfest presentation as to why EVE players aren't able to do this yet. Also since ISK is worth more in Dust so not only would we see our FPS player base demanding ridiculous amounts of any operations they go on. What EVE player would listen to the outrageous demands of a Dust Merc unless that merc understood some sort of business strategy. Dust corps wouldn't be demanding anything. Eve corps put out a contract with a saw offer and any dust corp that meets the rating requirement can take the contract. If the eve corp puts too low a rate and too high requirement out, no one will take the contract and the eve corp risks it going to public entry. That would have to be the way of operating. No way in hell do I want to see some of the big names either running contracts far too low for their pay grade, or way above it.
da GAND 187. 9	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:32:00 - [15] - Quote Cruor Abominare wrote: Rofl. This was on boots on the ground and I laughed when they said it too. No one in eve would pay us to do anything. Some pi bonus and fuel cost reductions? Lol, eve isn't interested. Instead we'd have a bunch of districts not being fought over.the only thing this mechanic would be used for is to transfer isk from eve chars to their dust characters. In the grand scheme of things, no one gets their jimmies rustled over the state of some low sec pocos over temperate planets of all things, no one cares about saving less than 40m a month on a tower, it would literally take longer for the contract set up than it would to just farm the isk. We don't actually fight over worthwhile things, hell fw is mostly epeen since it doesn't actually impact isk farming in fw. So until planets start being worth tens of billions a month for an eve Corp, no one in eve will care or have a large and meaningful impact on sov, no alliance in eve will care. On the latter the powers in eve and the players that matter will not allow dust to be anything more than a token effect in eve sov warfare, and eve that mechanic is still half a decade away at least. Yup not many people in EVE care about PC and they might not have any reasons to care for another year or longer. All these battles that we've been fighting don't really affect us, Uprising seems to have been a waste of time.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3510	Posted - 2013.06.12 23:40:00 - [16] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Okay good points all round and makes me think more on this... Maybe dust ownership of districts should be a null sec thing. Have Eve control our low sec territory like i suggest but in order to 'incentivise' eve players to actually use dust corps, make the effects dust can have greater. Also make it so that if an attacker and/or defender doesn't put any cash up for dusties, the battles get put up as a public mercenary battle and a standard amount of isk is charged. That way eve is affected whether they like it or not. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz nullsec is years away basically tellin alot of ppl to **** off till nullsec
Django Quik R.I.f.t 662	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:00:00 - [17] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Django Quik wrote: Okay good points all round and makes me think more on this... Maybe dust ownership of districts should be a null sec thing. Have Eve control our low sec territory like i suggest but in order to 'incentivise' eve players to actually use dust corps, make the effects dust can have greater. Also make it so that if an attacker and/or defender doesn't put any cash up for dusties, the battles get put up as a public mercenary battle and a standard amount of isk is charged. That way eve is affected whether they like it or not. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz nullsec is years away basically tellin alot of ppl to **** off till nullsec Null sec may years away with the current plan but this could bring it forward massively. Also, i think this might be the easiest way to get eve players to care about dust - force it upon them. Some of them might not like it at first but make the process as simple as setting an isk payout and rating requirement (only 2 clicks) and it won't be much of a burden at all. Once they realise that not doing this could result in flipping taking 50% longer, the cost of of not caring becomes pretty significant.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 662	Posted - 2013.06.13 07:06:00 - [18] - Quote Ooh, could even make it lore - after Empress Jamyl loses control of molden heath to the new clones, the amarr completely abandon it and its security status is removed so all have free reign. Though Im not sure what line of impact changing a whole region to null might have on eve, Im told no one cared for molden heath before anyway.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 921	Posted - 2013.06.13 09:27:00 - [19] - Quote Because currently CCP are so worried about wrecking EvE's economy that they've wrecked Dust's instead.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 149	Posted - 2013.06.13 09:43:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Because currently CCP are so worried about wrecking EvE's economy that they've wrecked Dust's instead. 10 yr old money making godsent of a game vs 1 1/2 year old game with a playerbase of whiners...... hmmm tough choice.

iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 707	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:31:00 - [21] - Quote The merc part seems to be a fairly weak link at the moment. I rarely feel like a mercenary. Right now, with the game as it stands, I feel like a middle aged professional enjoying computer games. The game needs more immersion.
Delta 749 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 307	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:41:00 - [22] - Quote Heeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll Nooooooooooooooo Putting control of one games content in the hands of another games player base is a horrible idea, I dont care that they are set in the same universe
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 155	Posted - 2013.06.13 11:56:00 - [23] - Quote Give dust access to some form of highly desirable resource. Different resources on different planets. Our problem would be transportation which is where Eve capsuleers come in. Depending on location and the resource in question the Eve alliances may decide to either control that system or create a free trade zone.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1882	Posted - 2013.06.13 12:54:00 - [24] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: 2 reasons 1- its easier for ccp to let mercs control districts because if eve did it would require economic motivation and ccp isn't ready to integrate the economies. 2- A bunch of nerds last year demanded "dust" players own districts because they only think of the big picture and not the actual detail of implementing it Don't forget the Dust players who yelled and screamed about being "pawns of PC gamers". Delta 749 wrote: Heeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll Nooooooooooooooo Putting control of one games content in the hands of another games player base is a horrible idea, I dont care that they are set in the same universe See, that's somewhat what I'm talking about. You do realize that Faction Warfare battles are generated based on EVE FW players completing complexes(dugeons) on their side, right? And that, like the E3 video shows, that's how those two Corps - one Dust one EVE - that organized on Reddit managed to flip an EVE system to another Faction in only 3 hours? Try to keep an open mind, everyone.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 539	Posted - 2013.06.13 12:56:00 - [25] - Quote Django Quik wrote: if we're supposed to be mercenaries We're not, actually. That's a bit of marketing that CCP has been using for ages in order to placate Eve players. Saying "you'll be hiring them out to do your bidding!" is a much easier pill to swallow than the truth: Dust players are soldiers. We build our own armies and alliances. We own our own territory and always will. Welcome to New Eden.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 359	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:21:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: You do realize that Faction Warfare battles are generated based on EVE FW players completing complexes(dugeons) on their side, right? And that, like the E3 video shows, that's how those two Corps - one Dust one EVE - that organized on Reddit managed to flip an EVE system to another Faction in only 3 hours? What's Reddit? What's a faction? Why do I vibrate like a maraca when I stand next to a slanted wall?
Django Quik R.I.f.t 664	Posted - 2013.06.13 13:40:00 - [27] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Heeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll Nooooooooooooooo Putting control of one games content in the hands of another games player base is a horrible idea, I dont care that they are set in the same universe You've misunderstood - I'm not saying anyone will be in control of anyone else's content - I'm suggesting forcibly linking the two games so Eve players can't do their plexing/sov stuff without involving the Dust side too (whether they like it or not). It'd be like faction warfare but instead of the factions hiring us, it'd be actual Eve corps.


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