wasn't always an issue.. when they change the turrets skills is when armor HAV win because of the repairer. we told they and let they still did it.

I'm gonna keep this real simple. The armor tank rep modules are way too strong. Why? Cause they take tons of damage and still the tank manages to net-gain health. Example: point blank scattered neutron blaster brought enemy tank down to half armor, enemy tank brings repper online... Blaster can no longer make a dent. in fact the enemy take goes back up to full health while still under fire, and well before the reps active timer is up... similar situations have happened too many times to call it on any other variable. And with other means of attack as well (swarm launchers can't make dents either)

Message: Nerf armor tank repair modules. They're making about tanks virtually indestructible.

extra notes: not seeing a considerable speed difference between tank classes... Wtf?

Also, anyone who says shield tanks can add damage mods Willy nilly, doesn't know what they are saying... Shield tanks use up so much pg trying to maintain high-pg demanding modules in the high slots (shield mods do that) that the low slots are needed to add extra pg. (there are few skills to help pg... Most only help CPU).

P.S. Probably a Good idea to introduce a shield rep tool for shield logistics. just as extra help in making it fair between tanks... Kinda not fair that armor is the only type capable of receiving useful aid in in that way.

why dont u just not waste ammo trying to shoot a tank wen the modules are active?? they are even more vulnurable when the modules are in cool-down, its prety simple unless ur fighting a tank with tripple reps and the driver has lots of practice using a tank fitred that way

Blaster turrets are meant to be anti-infantry.

I kinda like the direction you're headed in but you took a wrong turn and lost me.

Armor repairers are amazingly strong. Shields need something to make them shine in some area. Armor does NOT need to be nerfed.

If tanks were so OP we'd see a lot more of them in PC. You'll see an armor tank or two sometimes, but you'll never see a shield tank. I think that is where we need to take our balancing directions from.

I kinda like the direction you're headed in but you took a wrong turn and lost me.

Armor repairers are amazingly strong. Shields need something to make them shine in some area. Armor does NOT need to be nerfed.

If tanks were so OP we'd see a lot more of them in PC. You'll see an armor tank or two sometimes, but you'll never see a shield tank. I think that is where we need to take our balancing directions from.

I would have to agree on with you on shield tanks . My madruger is almost indestructabke but my gunlogi and falcone take allot more work to stay in one piece. The problem with balancing equipment and vehicles arround pc standerd is only about 5% of the games population if that get to participate in pc so balancing arround one eliete game mode with throw imbalance for everyone else. Ccp has allot of work to do regarding the balancing of tanks but basing that balance arround pc is tge wrong way to go.

I kinda like the direction you're headed in but you took a wrong turn and lost me.

Armor repairers are amazingly strong. Shields need something to make them shine in some area. Armor does NOT need to be nerfed.

If tanks were so OP we'd see a lot more of them in PC. You'll see an armor tank or two sometimes, but you'll never see a shield tank. I think that is where we need to take our balancing directions from.

The first question I would like answerd from the rest of the tanking community is hiw many tanks do you feel it is acceotible to loose in a pc battle? Following on from that what is an acceptable levle of av before you loose a tank in pc?

I played PC only once and every time I called in my Gunnlogi it got soloed by a proto forge. But again, shield tanks are crap compared to armor tanks.

Blaster turrets are meant to be anti-infantry.

I played PC only once and every time I called in my Gunnlogi it got soloed by a proto forge. But again, shield tanks are crap compared to armor tanks.

All numbers from here, which is up-to-date as far as I know:
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Armor_Repairers_(Vehicles)
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Large_Blaster_Turret

So, the best armor rep can do 2070 health over 15 seconds for a total of 138 HP/s

The worst large blaster, the militia variant, can do 428.6 RPM at 89.2 damage per round. Multiplying, then dividing by seconds/min gives us 637 DPS. Even with a 25% resist mod the rep can't out-repair that. If you're being out repped then you're missing three shots for every one that lands.

But you're forgetting that people will put on multiple resisters and/our multiple repairers... And regardless, i'm not the only one experiencing this by far. The armor tanks can not only burst, but ALSO take sustained damage. Field tanks on the other hand can be soloed with the right forge gun, OR simply outgunned by an equivalent tank in armor.