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Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
255
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:02:00 -
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From Show Info:
Damage: 78.5 HP
Rate of Fire: 400.0 RPM
Accuracy Rating: 47.8 (People are saying this effects the hipfire only, not the ADS accuracy)
Clip Size: 18
Max. Ammo: 300
Reload Time: 3.0 s
Meta Level: 9
Well, time to break out my alt and see how it feels.
As for my personal opinion about pre-nerf: I have always sucked at semi-auto fire weapons, so I'm indifferent about it when it comes to using it.
When it comes to encountering it pre-nerf: I was always irked that this was the weapon of choice for long and short range combat. Seeing that they not only changed the RoF, but clip size, and bullet-spray/hip-fire, it's going to be interesting to try and get close quarters against this gun. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
597
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:03:00 -
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Stats are nice.
But has anyone actually tried the new iteration of the TAC? |
Mother Facker
Ill Omens
EoN.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:11:00 -
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Could you post the stats for the GLU and the Codewish Duvolle tactical also? |
Aero Yassavi
Imperial Resurrection Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:14:00 -
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Someone started firing a TAR at me today and I was actually able to escape their fire. Imagine that! |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2097
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:39:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:As for my personal opinion about pre-nerf: I have always sucked at semi-auto fire weapons
so did 90% of people that used it. Have you seen videos of some people using this gun? TERRIBLE aim, but it didn't matter. They can spam away cuz they had a **** load of bullets in the mag, and the best hipfire of all the AR's and manage to get lucky kills cuz of the high dmg output.
Now you'll start seeing allot less Tact. AR's, not because of the nerf directly, but cuz people now actually require skill to use it  |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
255
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:59:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:Could you post the stats for the GLU and the Codewish Duvolle tactical also?
Sure, one sec... |
ISuperstar
DIOS X. II
73
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:01:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Mother Facker wrote:Could you post the stats for the GLU and the Codewish Duvolle tactical also? Sure, one sec...
Thanks! |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3428
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:30:00 -
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As someone who prefers the standard Assault Rifles (since the breach range is lmao), I like that the TAR has been brought more in line |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
374
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:43:00 -
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Yeah the low accuracy is the when shooting from hip fire. I think the stats look balanced...has anyone tried it already? |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
113
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:46:00 -
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If you miss 15 out of 18 shots fighting me, you suck... But my scout still might die. |
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
278
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:53:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:If you miss 15 out of 18 shots fighting me, you suck... But my scout still might die.
Eh. If you're a scout, it may not be the player sucking, it may be hit detection sucking. Scout is so random cause it seems like the game just rolls a dice to decide if anyone in the world can hit you. |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
88
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:59:00 -
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+1 to Wolfman
This was actually a good rebalance. The weapon finally fills its niche, which is long range support. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
717
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:00:00 -
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YES!
THE NERF HAS ARRIVED!
REJOICE! |
Soldier of Mawat
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
78
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:01:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Stats are nice.
But has anyone actually tried the new iteration of the TAC?
Got to play a few matches with it this morning and it wasn't hit with the nerf hammer like I feared it would be. At med to long range it still is a great weapon, the slower rate of fire doesn't affect it too much just when you are trying to hit a running target. Up close the hip fire is wide enough that quite a few of my shots wouldn't find the target, but enough do so hip fire can be used if needed. I will probably continue to use it because I still can't stand the standard assault rifles. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:04:00 -
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Why havent they nerfed the max ammo yet? Thats 22500+ damage per resupply which is double pretty much every weapon. |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
189
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:04:00 -
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I think mayhaps I will turn on my ps3 to see how it feels today. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
374
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:10:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Why havent they nerfed the max ammo yet? Thats 22500+ damage per resupply which is double pretty much every weapon.
Clip was reduced to 18, you want even less? Like 6 or 8?
Edit: max ammo shouldn't be a worry because the weakness is when reloading. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:28:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Why havent they nerfed the max ammo yet? Thats 22500+ damage per resupply which is double pretty much every weapon. Clip was reduced to 18, you want even less? Like 6 or 8? Edit: max ammo shouldn't be a worry because the weakness is when reloading.
The ammo efficiency on the TAR should reflect with the other weapons. Other ARs as well as other specialty weapons have to resupply often giving ammo conservation/upkeep a purpose. Hell the sniper rifle which is pretty much an extreme range/damage version of the TAR, needs some form of resupply often. TAR with its current 300 max (which increases with 25% ammo skill) can go a whole life without needing a resupply making nanohive redundant outside of supporting other bullet starved teamates. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
813
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:34:00 -
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300 TAR rounds can take out a whole ambush match worth of clones, but whatever. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
411
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:35:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Why havent they nerfed the max ammo yet? Thats 22500+ damage per resupply which is double pretty much every weapon.
Not every weapon needs to be identical on all terms. That kind of difference is more like having different role on the battlefield.
More total ammo doesn't help you pwn in encounters.
Now that being said, pure gunfight balance is important as it is bad to have one/few weapons which are only ones sensible to use. |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
279
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:39:00 -
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It is true that the average Tac is much more independant from nanohives compared to the other ARs. Time will tell if this is balanced by the fact that Tacs are no longer in the front of the battle where nanohives generally are so their ammo efficnecy is rather needed than imbalanced |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:52:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Why havent they nerfed the max ammo yet? Thats 22500+ damage per resupply which is double pretty much every weapon. Not every weapon needs to be identical on all terms. That kind of difference is more like having different role on the battlefield. More total ammo doesn't help you pwn in encounters. Now that being said, pure gunfight balance is important as it is bad to have one/few weapons which are only ones sensible to use.
In my second post, I wrote about the importance of ammo conservation. Yes gun balance is important but the ammo count is there to remind you that you're not made of bullets. Having to fall back or look for ammo resupply is to keep you in check on and off the battlefield.
If you wanna put this in context, you have a nanohive sitting in an safe area and a bunch of teamates passing by. While everyone stops by to resupply, the TAR user just keeps on walking. In the front line, you have teamates running out of primary ammo and turning back to look for/asking for ammo while the TAR user is still firing. |
Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:16:00 -
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Those numbers don't look so bad, I was getting torn up last night pretty bad by these. Hopefully this will restore order to the madness. I'm a fan of the tac just because it conserves ammo and increases range, the smaller magazine and increased hipfire spread won't stop me from using it or enjoying it and let's be honest, only guys with modded controllers will be QQing about the decreased RoF. Looks good CCP! |
Nightbird Aeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
164
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:51:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:Those numbers don't look so bad, I was getting torn up last night pretty bad by these. Hopefully this will restore order to the madness. I'm a fan of the tac just because it conserves ammo and increases range, the smaller magazine and increased hipfire spread won't stop me from using it or enjoying it and let's be honest, only guys with modded controllers will be QQing about the decreased RoF. Looks good CCP!
To be fair, I was probably busting the theoretical RoF cap using my mouse, as I can tap the button pretty quickly without sacrificing too much accuracy.
As for the rest of it, I'll have to try the gun out when I get home from work. Any news on the recoil? |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:19:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:Paper Cutter wrote:Those numbers don't look so bad, I was getting torn up last night pretty bad by these. Hopefully this will restore order to the madness. I'm a fan of the tac just because it conserves ammo and increases range, the smaller magazine and increased hipfire spread won't stop me from using it or enjoying it and let's be honest, only guys with modded controllers will be QQing about the decreased RoF. Looks good CCP! To be fair, I was probably busting the theoretical RoF cap using my mouse, as I can tap the button pretty quickly without sacrificing too much accuracy. As for the rest of it, I'll have to try the gun out when I get home from work. Any news on the recoil?
From what I've heard, the recoil is the same, meaning it still is a fierce weapon at long range.
But now, CQC professionals can now fill their role and get close to a TAC user. And now when you DO get close the TAR doesn't magically turn into a CQC-HMG-Forge-Gun-rounds-Shotgun-spray insta-gib weapon.
It actually stays as a TAR.... |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:05:00 -
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Support assault gunner is happy now, get to use my TAC how its meant to be. |
NSProxy
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:16:00 -
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Just had one of the best domination matches ever on this toon using my GLU. I'm glad they removed the potential for abuse without making the weapon useless. The TAC feels appropriately balanced to me right now, but I'll wait for more knowledgable people to verify that. I also agree that the total ammo capacity feels overly generous, although the 18 round clip size seems about right. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
412
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:00:00 -
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The hipfire kick is still too low.
That means it is still far too easy to use in CQC and also behaves so differently from 'controlled' firing while scoping - where the kick IS.
On the other hand RoF penalty mightve been a bit too big, although not much |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
237
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:23:00 -
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Played with the new one and while the hip fire and clip size changes work out fine the rate of fire changes severely hamper the weapon
Not only can most people pull the trigger faster than 6 times a second but when you do exceed the ROF limit the gun starts to stutter like a kid with stage fright so you end up putting less bullets down range than even the breach
Keep the hip fire and clip changes, revert back to the old rate of fire |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:47:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Played with the new one and while the hip fire and clip size changes work out fine the rate of fire changes severely hamper the weapon
Not only can most people pull the trigger faster than 6 times a second but when you do exceed the ROF limit the gun starts to stutter like a kid with stage fright so you end up putting less bullets down range than even the breach
Keep the hip fire and clip changes, revert back to the old rate of fire
I agree. The TAR felt very unweildy using it yesterday from the day before, and the RoF is over done in my opinion. Personally I'd like to see the RoF returned to what it was, but the mag reduced to 12. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
237
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:50:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Played with the new one and while the hip fire and clip size changes work out fine the rate of fire changes severely hamper the weapon
Not only can most people pull the trigger faster than 6 times a second but when you do exceed the ROF limit the gun starts to stutter like a kid with stage fright so you end up putting less bullets down range than even the breach
Keep the hip fire and clip changes, revert back to the old rate of fire I agree. The TAR felt very un-steady using it yesterday from the day before. The RoF is over done in my opinion. Personally I'd like to see the RoF returned to what it was, but the mag reduced to 12.
Clip size of 16 on the duv tac, kind of ridiculous that almost nothing increases when you make the jump from adv to proto with this particular weapon |
kohachi03
15 FuBuKi
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:55:00 -
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TAR want back the rate of fire
Instead
We can lower the power of the bullet
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dday3six
Intrepidus XI
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:58:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:dday3six wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Played with the new one and while the hip fire and clip size changes work out fine the rate of fire changes severely hamper the weapon
Not only can most people pull the trigger faster than 6 times a second but when you do exceed the ROF limit the gun starts to stutter like a kid with stage fright so you end up putting less bullets down range than even the breach
Keep the hip fire and clip changes, revert back to the old rate of fire I agree. The TAR felt very un-steady using it yesterday from the day before. The RoF is over done in my opinion. Personally I'd like to see the RoF returned to what it was, but the mag reduced to 12. Clip size of 16 on the duv tac, kind of ridiculous that almost nothing increases when you make the jump from adv to proto with this particular weapon
That's a very good point. I say 12 because it would hinder the CQC of the weapon. Forcing players to take cover and reload, thus limiting the weapon's DPS. However I could see the Duvolle TAR being 18. It would still be a 6 round increase, just before from 24 to 30. |
kohachi03
15 FuBuKi
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:04:00 -
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After all
It becomes the only heavy suit + HMG
The problem than it
Radar site is only visible
That it is no longer responding
To be shot from behind in the HMG
You are not depicted on the radar
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
58
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:39:00 -
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kohachi03 wrote:After all
It becomes the only heavy suit + HMG
The problem than it
Radar site is only visible
That it is no longer responding
To be shot from behind in the HMG
You are not depicted on the radar
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This was pretty much exactly what I was thinking.... I should have posted sooner.
(PS - looking forward to testing out the TAC) |
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