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KILQER
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:57:00 -
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First off, this is not a sniper hate thread, nor does it in anyway detract from the snipers purpose. This is about the woes of a crappy (mega newb) FPS player and the only way he can survive the battlefield.
Dropping into this game from Eve I expected a fairly decent experience on the meta side of things, and in that case I can't say I was totally disappointed. Thus, I was totally expecting some balance issues when it came to paper targets (me) and veterans. Even in the battle academy you have to deal with a freshman vs senior atmosphere and in most cases guess who's getting the class ring upside their head?
Without going into the shoddy instructions and thankfully knowing the skill point system I dropped into my first battle. To promptly get stomped into the ground. (and yes, I know, run with a squad) At this point I'm thinking "you suck", but your not a glutton for punishment, so what do you do? I chose to hide on the hills (and leave any battle that has the word ambush attached to it) and rooftops while I earned some much needed SP.
Here in lies the problem. Although I do not want to be a sniper, I felt it was the only way to survive while earning some SP, and as I look around through my scope and see the other 8000 snipers I wonder if they are not in the same situation? At this point you can determine who will win by the amount of snipers on a certain side, where more equals less chance of winning.
Considering this is an academy players point of view it doesn't mean much in the greater scheme of things, but for the average player that starts of solo it seems the only viable option while obtaining SP.
And yes, I know. "GO FIND A CORP NEWB!" |
billy kirkland
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:35:00 -
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I just got out of the Academy and I have been specing for an assult guy and really I don't see as many snipers now. But it really depends you can really tell who's a vet and who's just got out (like me). The only thing I would recommend is if you don't mind dying just go for whatever you want to build your guy as since you don't like being a sniper that much. Because in all Reality anything you do your going to dye eventually even being a sniper. The vets will find you and then blow your head off. Also just try and use your starter suits to build up SKI to get better stuff. That's all I can really tell you though |
Asmodeus Reinhart
Ninth Rim
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:14:00 -
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The losing team turning into "I give up" snipers happens in Dust. "If I'm going to lose anyway. I might as well park myself in the red zone and ding a few vets out of some ISK" - mentality, happens.
I also suggest building up the anti-vehicle class you start with a little if the reason you are getting your 'stuff' rearranged is because of tanks / lavs and drop ships (oh my).
A tier 1 grenade is pretty much mandatory in this game. It unlocks flux / REAL locus grenades, and anti-vehicle ones. Those A/V grenades can do a number on enemy vehicles if you manage to get the entire load off combined with maybe a swarm shot as they try to flee.
(Yes even tanks flee when they get hit with 3 A/V grenades in a row.)
It's a cheap "do something" class. That even if you get killed in, you have the potential to genuinely make a difference in a fight with.
Pop on an SMG so you can make it through brief fights. You're still going to get creamed but not lose much money. If you manage to pop a LAV full of people though... it's a good bit of points.
I dropped into a match and got a bunch of kills with the swarm and A/V last night. We were getting trounced... but I went like 11/3 because I just held a hill and stood on a nano hive smashing every LAV they tried to run up the hill. I even got the tank that tried to push in from the side. I died twice trying. But I got it.
I'm sure others will chime in. But that's at minimum "another" option to being a... sniper... "well you know". |
Cass Barr
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:19:00 -
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Don't worry so much about dying in (mostly) free suits. Play what you like, and stick to Skirmish matches for SP gain. If you can get a good position on a contested Null Cannon you can easily help your team out. If you come across a player/s that significantly outgear you run away and reposition if they already see you, or hit them with some grenades first before giving away your position. Don't try to engage in a head to head shootout without an advantage unless it serves some other purpose. Spec into standard level Nanohives relatively soon so you can keep your ammo and grenades restocked. Choose weapons that compliment each other. Scrambler Rifles and Flaylocks, Flux Grenades and Mass drivers, Assault Rifles and any grenade type. Stick with it and you'll make it. Also, you can hope CCP expands the Academy like they should. |
Cere Harkens
Cerulean Systems
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:22:00 -
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I haven't found an increased number of snipers in the hills to equate to increased success. If anything, it seems to be the opposite. Those snipers aren't taking objectives, after all. Just as there are good close-quarters players and bad, there are good snipers and bad. The good thing about Dust is it allows you to tailor your character to your skills as a player.
Don't worry about shooting from the hills for a while. Maybe you'll be good at it, or maybe you won't. As a player new to Dust and (it sounds like) to FPS games in general, putting yourself at a distance to observe the flows of battles will help a lot. From there maybe you'll be able to identify a role you'll want to explore some more.
It can be quite a shock to the system to be thrown right into the crossfire of bullets. Don't put pressure on yourself to be able to be able to keep up immediately. Take it slow and learn the game at your pace. |
FALLON Jace
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:43:00 -
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Practice.
It sounds like pretty much all of your woes are simply due to lack of skill and proper understanding of the game. |
Angelic Purity
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:41:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:Don't worry so much about dying in (mostly) free suits. Play what you like, and stick to Skirmish matches for SP gain. If you can get a good position on a contested Null Cannon you can easily help your team out. If you come across a player/s that significantly outgear you run away and reposition if they already see you, or hit them with some grenades first before giving away your position. Don't try to engage in a head to head shootout without an advantage unless it serves some other purpose. Spec into standard level Nanohives relatively soon so you can keep your ammo and grenades restocked. Choose weapons that compliment each other. Scrambler Rifles and Flaylocks, Flux Grenades and Mass drivers, Assault Rifles and any grenade type. Stick with it and you'll make it. Also, you can hope CCP expands the Academy like they should.
And yet so many of the "good" Corps have K/D minimums ... and if your starting now it will take quite a bit to be able to NOT be going negative, let alone reclaiming the negative you go through. |
Asmodeus Reinhart
Ninth Rim
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Posted - 2013.06.05 01:13:00 -
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Unless you're like MLG who cares what your K/D is in a strategy combat game...
I stopped caring what it was in COD too. The people I play with know I can put on big boy pants when req.
buy if I want to run around using weird guns and die a lot on my own time. So what.
Im sure you can find a decent corp with fun people to play with that will accept you as long as you try. I have plenty of scrubs on my PSN and I don't care just because they are cool to chat with and play games. |
Crow Splat
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.05 02:44:00 -
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Asmodeus Reinhart wrote:Unless you're like MLG who cares what your K/D is in a strategy combat game...
I stopped caring what it was in COD too. The people I play with know I can put on big boy pants when req.
buy if I want to run around using weird guns and die a lot on my own time. So what.
Im sure you can find a decent corp with fun people to play with that will accept you as long as you try. I have plenty of scrubs on my PSN and I don't care just because they are cool to chat with and play games.
This.
In my SOCOM days I was known as the "****** with the SAW." It wasn't a very good gun in that game but I used it as my main weapon. My k/d suffered for it but I had fun, which is the most important thing in a video GAME. And it was always good for a laugh when the other team decided to all run towards me in a hallway and have me end up killing the entire opposing team in a 10 second burst.
Do what you like and to hell with k/d. Shoot, I think I went like 5/12 the other day because I was having a little fun trying out the shotty. A good corp won't care about k/d, it's all about you ability to help them win games. |
Nimerae
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.05 07:28:00 -
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Ha, you know what I do to snipers? I get my nice proto nova knives with my scout suit, I run into the hills where snipers are (not from the front mind you), I go behind a sniper/group of snipers, I charge my knife, I cleanse the area of snipers. Rinse and repeat. |
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2013.06.06 09:34:00 -
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Nimerae wrote:Ha, you know what I do to snipers? I get my nice proto nova knives with my scout suit, I run into the hills where snipers are (not from the front mind you), I go behind a sniper/group of snipers, I charge my knife, I cleanse the area of snipers. Rinse and repeat.
I was going to say this as well.
OP, if you are not interested in being a sniper but need to stick to the areas where combat is minimal, I suggest you at least practice your more intended role on the outskirts. Instead of camping the hills looking for kills, try patrolling the hills and teh redline areas looking for snipers. It's good practice at hunting people down, working you approaches so you stay unseen and typically they are easy kills.
Knives, shotgun, AR, grenades, pistol - you can practice with any weapon.... once you get more comfortable you'll find yourself getting closer to the action.
And yes, +1 for the sniper count being inversely proportional to the chances of winning the match. |
Harold Junk
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:42:00 -
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I found myself breaking out the Sniper Starter suit quite alot when I first started playing, I didn't feel terribly confident about it, but it did feel like a requirement to not die in some ambush maps. I did get some kills that felt really good tho...
But yeah, going sniper, going anti-armor, or going murder taxi on a team and forcing them to get some anti-armor seemed to get positive results. I was either helping the team a bit by mixing it up, or at least learning a role that I didn't have confidence in.
I'm glad you don't care about K/D, it was stupid in call of duty and its still stupid for people to think that it accurately reflects your skill. Especially in a game that's more about objective modes, you're either a team player who can contribute or you're a chicken-turd who's afraid to come out of hiding and hurt his precious K/D. To me that sounds just as stupid as feeding the other team kills in ambush modes.
I will say that everybody really has to spend some time trying to snipe, its pretty awkward when you have a whole team that won't break out the sniper class when one or two snipers are solely needed. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:59:00 -
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I'm actually seeing very few snipers (maybe because I'm outside of the academy)
What many people don't realize is that AV is more effective for new players- they don't realize that they can also destroy installations for easy WP.
And worst case scenario if you're low on money- grab a starter fit and stop giving a damn about KDR- people need to realize that the only important ratio is ISK gained/Isk lost |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:58:00 -
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I totaly agree with the OP.
When I started Dust (about 3-4months ago) I was in the same situation. Vets stomped us in the secound after we resed (yeah, chromosome was a bit harder for neewbies). I made the same choise as the OP because i knew my only chanse to survive and show those pubstomper vets is the way of snipeing.
Turned out im realy good at it. I killed many top players (they had at that time about 8-10mill SP) when I had only about 2 mill. Now im a top sniper and I can turn skirmish games, I know how to support my team and how to deffend objects.
BUT if more than 2 other player snipeing in my team, I know we will lose. Because they dont kill enough, useing wrong position, dont deffend objects and they dont support teammates (maby shoot down heavys shield than your teammates can finish him on the field...).
My top score is 44/0 (not redline, not Thale) and the funny fact: we lost that game. Because if there no footsoldier who hack those damn objects than dosnt matter how many redberry you kill, you will lose. |
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