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Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:54:00 -
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My request is simple.
When complaining an Item is OP or UP say in what situations. If you have not tried it in more than 5 different situations e.g. Inside a building.
Hilly terrain.
Inside a complex area on the road or similar.
In area's with lots of cover in the form of installations, walls, fences, etc.
Any other areas I haven't mentioned.
You must also state what kind of stats need a buff/nerf and how much of a change should be made, e.g:
Quote:Tactical Assault Rifle should recieve:
Minor Damage nerf 5-10hp
Minor Range nerf 10-15m
Rate of Fire Nerf in the form of not firing faster than the animation
Minor Hip spread increase.
If your feedback relating to OP/UP Items does not contain any of the previous than it should be considered invalid due to lack of true testing of it (on your part not CCPs) and constructive feedback. |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:54:00 -
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Reserved for future use. |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:55:00 -
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Reserved for future use. |
Karras Hearn
352 Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:56:00 -
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no |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:57:00 -
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So, if its not to CCP Your aiming your request at other players?
Yeah, no. Your post is invalid. |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:02:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:So, if its not to CCP Your aiming your request at other players?
Yeah, no. Your post is invalid.
Yeah and this is the Feedback/Requests forum. So why can't I aim a request at players? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
680
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:16:00 -
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As good as it would be to see good feedback, there will always be people raging nonconstructively.
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Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:29:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As good as it would be to see good feedback, there will always be people raging nonconstructively.
I understand that I just want to see more constructive feedback and so do a number of other players. |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
83
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:43:00 -
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Aerion Spiritus wrote:My request is simple. When complaining an Item is OP or UP say in what situations. If you have not tried it in more than 5 different situations e.g. Inside a building.
Hilly terrain.
Inside a complex area on the road or similar.
In area's with lots of cover in the form of installations, walls, fences, etc.
Any other areas I haven't mentioned.
You must also state what kind of stats need a buff/nerf and how much of a change should be made, e.g: Quote:Tactical Assault Rifle should recieve:
Minor Damage nerf 5-10hp
Minor Range nerf 10-15m
Rate of Fire Nerf in the form of not firing faster than the animation
Minor Hip spread increase.
If your feedback relating to OP/UP Items does not contain any of the previous than it should be considered invalid due to lack of true testing of it (on your part not CCPs) and constructive feedback. Yes I understand that there will always be those that will mindlessly rage and put very crude feedback, But this is meant for CCP to know which feedback they should pay most attention to.
I would not say the Tac needs a dmg nerf, I'd rather go with a clip size nerf. Cut that klip to 10 or 12 rounds. It's a tactical gun, why does it have a clip like an automatic gun? Just look at this: base dmg is 78. A Proto suit has around 600 HP, equals 8 shots to kill those poeple, we are still talking about Proto! 8 shots and we don't count headshots in, so you just have to hit with every 3rd shot from your magazine to kills someone. Well this is not tactical at all.
You want a tactical gun? than you should be forced to use it tactical, and not as a bullet spamming close range sniper rifle.
And yeah I used the Tac and I can say:
Inside a building. ->pwns
Hilly terrain. ->pwns
Inside a complex area on the road or similar. ->pwns
In area's with lots of cover in the form of installations, walls, fences, etc. -pwns
Any other areas I haven't mentioned. -pwns
This weapons is a killer in every aspect of the game. The laser in chromosome was by FAR(!) not so OP as the Tac is in uprising, but you simply don't see so many nerf threads because all the AR guys don'T wan't to accept that they hold the most OP weapon in Dust in their hands, right now. |
Adam Average
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
51
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:46:00 -
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I support this. +1. Maybe some fine tuning on the whole process, but more understandable feedback would be nice to read. |
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Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:47:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:Aerion Spiritus wrote:My request is simple. When complaining an Item is OP or UP say in what situations. If you have not tried it in more than 5 different situations e.g. Inside a building.
Hilly terrain.
Inside a complex area on the road or similar.
In area's with lots of cover in the form of installations, walls, fences, etc.
Any other areas I haven't mentioned.
You must also state what kind of stats need a buff/nerf and how much of a change should be made, e.g: Quote:Tactical Assault Rifle should recieve:
Minor Damage nerf 5-10hp
Minor Range nerf 10-15m
Rate of Fire Nerf in the form of not firing faster than the animation
Minor Hip spread increase.
If your feedback relating to OP/UP Items does not contain any of the previous than it should be considered invalid due to lack of true testing of it (on your part not CCPs) and constructive feedback. Yes I understand that there will always be those that will mindlessly rage and put very crude feedback, But this is meant for CCP to know which feedback they should pay most attention to. I would not say the Tac needs a dmg nerf, I'd rather go with a clip size nerf. Cut that klip to 10 or 12 rounds. It's a tactical gun, why does it have a clip like an automatic gun? Just look at this: base dmg is 78. A Proto suit has around 600 HP, equals 8 shots to kill those poeple, we are still talking about Proto! 8 shots and we don't count headshots in, so you just have to hit with every 3rd shot from your magazine to kills someone. Well this is not tactical at all. You want a tactical gun? than you should be forced to use it tactical, and not as a bullet spamming close range sniper rifle. And yeah I used the Tac and I can say: Inside a building. ->pwns
Hilly terrain. ->pwns
Inside a complex area on the road or similar. ->pwns
In area's with lots of cover in the form of installations, walls, fences, etc. -pwns
Any other areas I haven't mentioned. -pwns
This weapons is a killer in every aspect of the game. The laser in chromosome was by FAR(!) not so OP as the Tac is in uprising, but you simply don't see so many nerf threads because all the AR guys don'T wan't to accept that they hold the most OP weapon in Dust in their hands, right now.
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I think you miss understood the posts point. It said "e.g." which means Examplia Gratia (guess what that means). I used Tac AR as it was the first example I could think of due to how much talk has happened over it. It was also the best example that I could make a format out of quickly. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1814
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:58:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:So, if its not to CCP Your aiming your request at other players?
Yeah, no. Your post is invalid. Requesting that players do something other than ***** makes his post invalid?
Great example of exactly the attitude we're trying to stamp out around here. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
200
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:59:00 -
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+1 for more reasonable approaches to balancing in Dust. |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:45:00 -
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Bump |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 04:11:00 -
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Again Shameless Bump |
Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.06.05 04:45:00 -
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+1 bump |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:45:00 -
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lol Bump again until I see a more significant drop in rage :P |
Aerion Spiritus
Phaze O n e
35
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:31:00 -
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Bump again :) |
Brutus Va'Khan
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:56:00 -
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No.
I think CCP needs to take a more active role. If nerfing/buffing, get input from players who use militia v militia, proto v proto, etc. Figure out what type of weapon, tactical, breach, etc. Also, instead of sending down the hammer in one fatal swoop, do it little by little. If something is op because it does 100 dps or something try lowering bit by bit over a whole week. The non sentient complaints that get passed up to the nerf hammer are just ridiculous.
I think that the biggest problem CCP has is wanting to get everything done in one bundle. It would be much more effective (especially in beta) to modify and release content sooner rather than in these massive bundles. That way players can more effectively try out the new flavor of the day instead of trying to eat one massive tub of ice cream in one sitting. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1122
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:03:00 -
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Detailed, specific, actionable/constructive feedback > Hyperbole, generalizations, and incomplete data.
That, to me, is straightforward an I completely agree that the more through the feedback, and the more displayed testing that has gone into it the more weight it deserves.
0.02 ISK Cross |
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Thurak1
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
14
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:31:00 -
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I think it would be great if people gave good detailed feedback. But lets be honest there will always be people just going on about how this sucks or that sucks or OMG this bla blah bla is so OP its unfair. I think honestly it would be a great idea if the feedback section was only for feedback of the current game and the moderators simply delete all these posts requesting stuff. There should be a separate section for requesting things in game or requesting features. And there should absolutely be some sort of guidelines for posting feedback in game but those guidelines should be posted and made a sticky by one of the moderators. Maybe not even in a public setting maybe as a ticketing device of sorts so people can't get so worked up at each other because it seems these days nobody wears their adult pants while playing or giving feedback about the game. |
Aerion Spiritus
Phaze O n e
39
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Posted - 2013.06.11 00:25:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Detailed, specific, actionable/constructive feedback > Hyperbole, generalizations, and incomplete data.
That, to me, is straightforward an I completely agree that the more through the feedback, and the more displayed testing that has gone into it the more weight it deserves.
0.02 ISK Cross
This is what I'm trying to get more people to do :)
Thurak1 wrote:I think it would be great if people gave good detailed feedback. But lets be honest there will always be people just going on about how this sucks or that sucks or OMG this bla blah bla is so OP its unfair. I think honestly it would be a great idea if the feedback section was only for feedback of the current game and the moderators simply delete all these posts requesting stuff. There should be a separate section for requesting things in game or requesting features. And there should absolutely be some sort of guidelines for posting feedback in game but those guidelines should be posted and made a sticky by one of the moderators. Maybe not even in a public setting maybe as a ticketing device of sorts so people can't get so worked up at each other because it seems these days nobody wears their adult pants while playing or giving feedback about the game.
And I know there will always be people like this |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
655
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Posted - 2013.06.11 01:28:00 -
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I'll just add my related thread here, it's called "The Definition of OP":
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=782741#post782741 |
Aerion Spiritus
Phaze O n e
40
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:17:00 -
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Added it to the post :) |
Aerion Spiritus
Phaze O n e
40
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:05:00 -
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Bump :) |
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