https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GI53ydJaus8#t=62s

Clone technology has been around for a while, right? Why is anyone surprised that technology has improved, and there are now smaller versions of Empyrean clone implants?

It used to be that if you had a computer that could play freaking Pong you were way ahead of your time. Now, there's Starcraft 2, Metro: Last Light, etc., etc.

Technology change! It's a thing.

If they're surprised over that. Wait until they see the Jove.
In b4 Jovian dropsuits are OP.

That's if the Jove are even still alive, which even CONCORD thinks is not the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GI53ydJaus8#t=62s

Clone technology has been around for a while, right? Why is anyone surprised that technology has improved, and there are now smaller versions of Empyrean clone implants?

It used to be that if you had a computer that could play freaking Pong you were way ahead of your time. Now, there's Starcraft 2, Metro: Last Light, etc., etc.

Technology change! It's a thing.

The technology didn't improve. Those implants were recovered from Sleeper outposts in Anoikis (wormhole-space).

Part of what CONCORD enforces is a prohibition on further research into capsule technology. Unfortunately for them, that's as far as their mandate goes, so they can't prohibit the nations from developing immortal soldier technology.

At least, not overtly.

The technology didn't improve. Those implants were recovered from Sleeper outposts in Anoikis (wormhole-space).

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I'm pretty sure it isn't instant for the capsuleers, while it is instant for the immortal mercs.

Hm... I haven't finished Templar One, but aren't all of the clones with the Jove technology being purged? At least the ones in the Amarr ranks are, as seen in the templar event that's happening right now. What kind of technology is she using instead, and are the other races also using the sleeper tech?

Ok - time to flex my geek brain here and stun you all with my knowledge of Eve lore.... Here we go...

Capsuleer technology was given to the Caldari during the 1st Caldari/Gallente war. But the actual cloning tech was not originally incorporated into the capsules, not only that, becoming a capsuleer was an extraordinarily dangerous process, having your mind linked to a ship was incredibly stressful in the normal human mind. Those who survived, generally could pilot ships in ways that regular crews were simply incapable of doing so, and this ultimately stopped the Gallente advance into the Caldari systems and set the empires pretty much as we know them now.

The cloaning technology had been around for quite a while and the memory transfer technology had also been around for some time, the problem was that taking a snapshot of someone's brain at the moment of death. The process of taking a snap shot of someone's brain is increadibly damaging. Often the imaging system was very unreliable as system had to detect a potential threat and capture the persons mind BEFORE they expired. The number of variables in working out when to take this image in an uncontrolled enviroment regularly meant that system misfired, frazzling the persons brain in the process. Often when the individual wasn't under any real threat at all, and even worryingly, when possibly the system was somewhere where the data could not be transmitted to the new clone. This resulted in people not being revived leaving either a dead original body, or a vegetable with a scrambled brain, or, even worse, the snapshot would be taken too late and the clone would remeber its death and psychologically traumatise it.

So personal cloaning tech was extraordinarily dangerous.

However, combine it with the controlled environment of a capsule, where as soon as its outershell cracked the transfer process would begin meant there was no real margin for error.

But, the mercenary implant works differently, as sleeper technology, it is far in advance of the standard conscious transfer systems employed by the empires at the moment, it is more compact, meaning it can be used as a implant and not something that needs to be carried. According to templar one, it continiously "streams" data to a processing unit, so there is no taking images of the persons mind at the right time, it actively records all the brains activities without destroying its functions.

This means, that as soon as the signal from the current clone body stops being received by the revival unit it can immediately revive another clone using the stored information that had be streamed to the unit prior to the clones death. Then all you have to do is snip the traumatic death bit off the end.

That as I understand it, is the breakthrough of the sleeper implant technology.

Ok - time to flex my geek brain here and stun you all with my knowledge of Eve lore.... Here we go...

Capsuleer technology was given to the Caldari during the 1st Caldari/Gallente war. But the actual cloning tech was not originally incorporated into the capsules, not only that, becoming a capsuleer was an extraordinarily dangerous process, having your mind linked to a ship was incredibly stressful in the normal human mind. Those who survived, generally could pilot ships in ways that regular crews were simply incapable of doing so, and this ultimately stopped the Gallente advance into the Caldari systems and set the empires pretty much as we know them now.

The cloaning technology had been around for quite a while and the memory transfer technology had also been around for some time, the problem was that taking a snapshot of someone's brain at the moment of death. The process of taking a snap shot of someone's brain is increadibly damaging. Often the imaging system was very unreliable as system had to detect a potential threat and capture the persons mind BEFORE they expired. The number of variables in working out when to take this image in an uncontrolled enviroment regularly meant that system misfired, frazzling the persons brain in the process. Often when the individual wasn't under any real threat at all, and even worryingly, when possibly the system was somewhere where the data could not be transmitted to the new clone. This resulted in people not being revived leaving either a dead original body, or a vegetable with a scrambled brain, or, even worse, the snapshot would be taken too late and the clone would remeber its death and psychologically traumatise it.

So personal cloaning tech was extraordinarily dangerous.

However, combine it with the controlled environment of a capsule, where as soon as its outershell cracked the transfer process would begin meant there was no real margin for error.

But, the mercenary implant works differently, as sleeper technology, it is far in advance of the standard conscious transfer systems employed by the empires at the moment, it is more compact, meaning it can be used as a implant and not something that needs to be carried. According to templar one, it continiously "streams" data to a processing unit, so there is no taking images of the persons mind at the right time, it actively records all the brains activities without destroying its functions.

This means, that as soon as the signal from the current clone body stops being received by the revival unit it can immediately revive another clone using the stored information that had be streamed to the unit prior to the clones death. Then all you have to do is snip the traumatic death bit off the end.

That as I understand it, is the breakthrough of the sleeper implant technology.

/slowclap

Well done sir

The other factor is that they actually use this for a massive scale collaborative R&D virtual environment. Think TRON and Inception with a bit of Matrix tossed in.

Effectively, via the thought process speed increase available while in a dream-state, the Sleepers would spend an entire decade in this inter-linked state while only a year would pass for the Edhuanni (might have spelled that wrong), who were their caretakers, in reality.

Thanks to this, they could advance their technology at a far more rapid pace, as can be seen from the Sentinel drones they created, and the devastating weapons they use.

Is there any place we can read this from? I've been on the Summit channel more lately and it's tough to get an idea of the difference between us Mercs and Capsuleers.

My long standing theory is that Jovians are and have not been for a while technologically superior. Military hardware changes quite often, hell we're nearly having seasonal hardware upgrades in naval warfare spectrum now, new techniques and technologies being applied to the fleet just to remain relative to each other. The last major engagement between empire and jove was 120 years ago.

Originally stated to been 10,000 ships against 8 jovian ships, Amarr revisionist reviewed the data and concluded such combat odds were impossible for the Empress's father and changed the number to 2,000 Amarrian ships and 30 Jove.

I mean the ghost of the jove (left over AIs) even admit we're doing things they were before incapable of thinking of. They never imagined being able to reverse engineer the technology their progenitor race, the sleepers. Yet here we are, not only are we reverse engineering it but going beyond what they have accomplished.

There is also the True Sansha nation which by last reports would indicate they have conquered Jove space, they might as well be extinct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GI53ydJaus8#t=62s

Clone technology has been around for a while, right? Why is anyone surprised that technology has improved, and there are now smaller versions of Empyrean clone implants?

It used to be that if you had a computer that could play freaking Pong you were way ahead of your time. Now, there's Starcraft 2, Metro: Last Light, etc., etc.

Technology change! It's a thing.

I remember reading that part. Well, now the only question that remains to be answered is, "Why is That Guy so surprised by the fact that people are immortal?" XD

As I stated before, immortality is obviously not at all surprising to anyone anywhere in New Eden. This new Minimmortality is a massive advance from what they had before, but that doesn't at all justify someone being surprised by immortality.

Also, if you guys could clear up another question for me, what exactly are the consequences of having Sleeper implants inside of us Dust mercs? I vaguely remember an Amarrian scientist shouting at Jamyl to terminate the line of Templars because something wonky was going around.

Interesting theory about the Sansha's Nation. I had noticed in lore and in articles that they had developed some unknown means of replicating, albeit in a very shoddy manner, worm hole technologies that is normally associated with the Jovian race.

What I'm currently wondering is about wormholes.

We know somewhat how worm holes work in EVE, naturally occurring ones I mean, however as I would understand it replicating a constantly changing flux and near infinite number of potential configurations would be rather difficult even for the technologically advanced empires and racial groups we see in EVE.

My personal opinion regarding wormhole tech would be that such technology would be used to create a static wormhole one that is constantly in existence, not collapsing, possibly being held open by some Jovian technology, and extremely advanced navigational technology.

Assuming that the Nation actually found a Jovian vessel to reverse engineer this technology from, and the advanced designs and technologies he possesses, True Slave Implants, would/ could indicate that he is either engaging the Jove on a level the other races cannot match due to the Jovians seclusion from New Eden, or perhaps engaged in conflict with them.

For example Incursions by the Sansha's Nation. As I understand them the ships are entering the Incursion system through micro wormholes appearing in locations that should be inaccessible. My question would be that unless the Nation were engaging the Jovians in some meaningful way how else could they gain the wide spread access to the Jovian technology that they seem to have?