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Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:12:00 -
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So here we are again. It's been barely a month, and people are still crying for the entire logistics class to be nerfed... again. I thought we were past this when several dedicated logibros in our community had joined in my campaign to brainstorm ways to make the Assault, class more attractive by giving them better racial bonuses through this OP. (Please direct all +1s to Logi Bro)
But, it looks like not much has changed since we're having this argument again and again:
KOBLAKA1 wrote:So in a weird twist of fate transformers invaded Dust after the respec. Every other guy seems to be in a yellow suit not fulfilling their intended role. I don't care about their tank anymore if they go logi more power to them if they are healing peeps. Those that are taking advantage of the suits slots however...
Logis should have side arm only, and as I know its a favorite make tell MD a sidearm or change pg/cpu somehow so that's the only viable light weapon without crippling the suit in terms of slots.
Edit: don't come here for respect...stupid autocorrect
Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Forward Slayer
-Logistics
-Assault
Support
-Logistics
Flankers
-Logistics
-Assault
-Scout
-Heavy
Currently, non combat roles are limited to logis due to their equipment slots being high enough to support real sp attainment during a match. Also combined this with the fact that most of the equipment is logistics oriented.
Scouts (sidewinders) and heavies (point defense) are limited to flanking roles due to suit constraints, heavies don't have the range/speed/hp combo to push and scouts lack the slots and survivability to separate themselves from speed tanking logis and assaults.
I also think this explains the dynamics of suit popularity as well.
Anyways, what are your thoughts on this and the balance between suit popularity? Do you think an introduction of alternative roles would assist the less popular suits and if so what should they be?
A personal fear of mine but do you think that the fact that since scouts and heavies are more marginalized and are a minority that they could potentially never really be develop in the game due to time and effort spent on a ever shrinking population? I also believe this is why the devs introduced all the assault and logistic suits first and are more interested in introducing all the assault rifles before anything else.
Anyways, all thoughts are appreciated and thank you for your time.
So, for the final time, I'm going to make this argument again about the logistics class as a whole, since everyone seems to think that all logi suits are OP even though it's the Caldari logi that gives the impression of being OP through its racial bonus. First, let's look at the racial logi suits' stats in comparison to the Assault and Scout. I'm excluding Heavy/Sentinels and Scouts because CCP doesn't like you guys. No, I'm only joking. Heavies have their own problem because they still only have one racial frame and one class suit with a bonus meant for something still on the drawing boards. I'll add Scout comparisons later after some experimentation, for now here's the comparisons of all the base stats between logistics suits and their racial counterparts. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:13:00 -
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Logistics CK.0 VS Assault CK.0
Max PG >78 KW > 60 KW
Max CPU> 390 GF > 380
Shield > 180 HP > 210 HP
Armor > 90 HP > 120 HP
Shield Recharge Rate > 20.0 HP/s > 25.0 HP/s
Shield Recharge Delay > 4.0 S > 5.0 S
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 8.0 S
Armor Repair Rate > 0 > 0
Movement Speed > 4.7 M/s > 5.0 M/s
Sprint Speed > 6.6 M/s > 7.0 M/s
Sprint Duration > 11.5 s > 15.0 S
Stamina > 115.0 > 150.0
Stamina Recovery Rate > 12.0/s > 15.0/s
Scan Profile > 50 DB > 50 DB
Scan Precision > 50 DB > 55 DB
Scan Radius > 10.0 M > 10.0 M
Melee Damage > 110.0 HP > 110.0 HP
Logistics Suit Bonus: Assault Suit Bonus:
+5 HP/s Armor Repair Rate +25% Dropsuit shield recharge rate
Caldari Logistics Suit Bonus: Caldari Assault Suit Bonus
+25% Efficiency of shield extender modules +10& Hybrid weapon reload speed (possibly bugged)
Fitting:
5H/3E/4L/1LW 4H/1E/3L/1LW/1SA
Logistics MK.0 VS Assault MK.0
Max PG >78 KW > 64 KW
Max CPU> 390 GF > 320
Shield > 090 HP > 150 HP
Armor > 150 HP > 135 HP
Shield Recharge Rate > 20.0 HP/s > 18.0 HP/s
Shield Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 6.0 S
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 10.0 S
Armor Repair Rate > 0 > 1 HP/s
Movement Speed > 5.0 M/s > 5.3 M/s
Sprint Speed > 7.0 M/s > 7.4 M/s
Sprint Duration > 12.0 s > 17.5 S
Stamina > 120.0 > 175.0
Stamina Recovery Rate > 12.0/s > 15.0/s
Scan Profile > 50 DB > 50 DB
Scan Precision > 50 DB > 55 DB
Scan Radius > 10.0 M > 10.0 M
Melee Damage > 110.0 HP > 110.0 HP
Logistics Suit Bonus: Assault Suit Bonus:
+5 HP/s Armor Repair Rate +25% Dropsuit shield recharge rate
Minmatar Logistics Suit Bonus: Minmatar Assault Suit Bonus
+25% Hacking Speed +25% Sidearm Clip Size
Fitting: 4H/4E/4L/1LW 5H/1E/2L/1LW/1SA
Logistics GK.0 VS Assault GK.0
Max PG >78 KW > 60 KW
Max CPU> 390 GF > 300
Shield > 090 HP > 120 HP
Armor > 180HP > 210 HP
Shield Recharge Rate > 15.0 HP/s > 20.0 HP/s
Shield Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 7.0 S
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 10.0 S
Armor Repair Rate > 0 > 0
Movement Speed > 4.7 M/s > 5.0 M/s
Sprint Speed > 6.6 M/s > 7.0 M/s
Sprint Duration > 12.5 s > 15.0 S
Stamina > 125.0 > 150.0
Stamina Recovery Rate > 12.0/s > 15.0/s
Scan Profile > 50 DB > 50 DB
Scan Precision > 50 DB > 55 DB
Scan Radius > 10.0 M > 10.0 M
Melee Damage > 110.0 HP > 110.0 HP
Logistics Suit Bonus: Assault Suit Bonus:
+5 HP/s Armor Repair Rate +25% Dropsuit shield recharge rate
Gallente Logistics Suit Bonus: Gallente Assault Suit Bonus
-25% Equipment PG/CPU -25% Hybrid Weapon PG/CPU
Fitting: 3H/4E/5L/1LW 3H/1E/4L/1LW/1SA |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:13:00 -
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Logistics AK.0 VS Assault AK.0
Max PG >66 KW > 70 KW
Max CPU> 390 GF > 350
Shield > 120 HP > 180 HP
Armor > 180HP > 180 HP
Shield Recharge Rate > 17.0 HP/s > 20.0 HP/s
Shield Recharge Delay > 6.0 S > 6.0 S
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay > 5.0 S > 10.0 S
Armor Repair Rate > 0 > 0
Movement Speed > 4.5 M/s > 4.8 M/s
Sprint Speed > 6.4 M/s > 6.7 M/s
Sprint Duration > 14.0 s > 20.0 S
Stamina > 140.0 > 200.0
Stamina Recovery Rate > 15.0/s > 20.0/s
Scan Profile > 50 DB > 50 DB
Scan Precision > 50 DB > 55 DB
Scan Radius > 10.0 M > 10.0 M
Melee Damage > 110.0 HP > 110.0 HP
Logistics Suit Bonus: Assault Suit Bonus:
+5 HP/s Armor Repair Rate +25% Shield Recharge Rate
Amarr Logistics Suit Bonus: Amarr Assault Suit Bonus
+25% Armor Repair Efficeincy -25% Laser Weapon Heat Buildup
Fitting: 3H/4E/3L/1LW/1SA 3H/1E/3L/1LW/1SA |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:13:00 -
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Reserved |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:13:00 -
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Reserved |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:24:00 -
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So many numbers...too many words...
ZeHealingHurts ANGRY! |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
372
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:27:00 -
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I mean, I have guns and I use them, and they kill every Logi out there...
really why do people complain about the Logi's being OP...
Lol use a scrambler rifle, destroy the Caldari logi shields- simple as that...
They dont have a sidearm- TIP
- Geth |
Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
1769
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:29:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:I mean, I have guns and I use them, and they kill every Logi out there...
really why do people complain about the Logi's being OP...
Lol use a scrambler rifle, destroy the Caldari logi shields- simple as that...
They dont have a sidearm- TIP
- Geth
My logi has a sidearm. Where is your God now? |
xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1695
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:33:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:I mean, I have guns and I use them, and they kill every Logi out there...
really why do people complain about the Logi's being OP...
Lol use a scrambler rifle, destroy the Caldari logi shields- simple as that...
They dont have a sidearm- TIP
- Geth
The issue isn't about whether or not you can kill a logi. It's the fact that the logi has become the Omni class. It's gotten to the point where the logi can fill the specialized role of an assault or Scout much better than both classes. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:33:00 -
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Dust Forums Y U No have right alignment?! |
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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
79
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:51:00 -
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assault class is for people who want side arm and a focus on hi/low slots
logi = people who want lots of equipment slots
amarr logi = **** all you ima do what i want |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
90
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:46:00 -
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I love the fact that I use an advanced logi and can take down proto logis. let's not nerf the class please. the whole point of having all this stuff to unlock is having options and creating your own playstyle.
sure many people including myself shield tank logis but now I carry a nanohive and will carry spawn uplinks soon. Although I originally intended to just shield tank it opens up a whole new avenue with many options for a new playstyle.
if you nerf logis for the sake of assault logis then you nerf support logis too. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:54:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I love the fact that I use an advanced logi and can take down proto logis. let's not nerf the class please. the whole point of having all this stuff to unlock is having options and creating your own playstyle.
sure many people including myself shield tank logis but now I carry a nanohive and will carry spawn uplinks soon. Although I originally intended to just shield tank it opens up a whole new avenue with many options for a new playstyle.
if you nerf logis for the sake of assault logis then you nerf support logis too.
CaLogi is the only one that needs to be reworked. Tone their racial bonus down to 2~3% shield extender proficiency per level and everything balances out. But the assaults' suit and racial bonuses need work. Having a shield related bonus for a Gallente assault is like having ammo capacity upgrades for nova knives. |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
252
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:56:00 -
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Cosgar's Alt wrote:Logistics AK.0 VS Assault AK.0
Fitting: 3H/4E/3L/1LW/1SA 3H/1E/3L/1LW/1SA
Actually, doesn't the Logistics AK.0 only have 3 Equip instead of 4? Just trying to help you out with info. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
471
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:09:00 -
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Poor Amarr Logi... slowest of the 8, lowest PG.  I feel bad for the Gallente whenever I see their Racial Bonus too though. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
44
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:25:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Poor Amarr Logi... slowest of the 8, lowest PG. I feel bad for the Gallente whenever I see their Racial Bonus too though.
You mean the Gallente logi? I love the bonus, running logi is really CPU/PG intensive (when your playing the role fully equipped as was intended), on top of that the added Passive Rep is great for the Armor reliant Gallente.
If you meant the Gallente Assault then I agree completely. The bonus is useless with so few high slots and base stats.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4716
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Posted - 2013.07.07 04:01:00 -
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I used the fitting tool to compare my ak.0 to the prototype Caldari logi, it was ridiculous. 2 more high slots, one more low. When both shield and armor tanking it can have 988 HP, an extra equipment slot, AND its still faster than my suit. All the ak.0 gets in exchange is a sidearm, and frankly its NOT worth it. |
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