DUST Search - Be wary of speccing into TAC AR

Yeva Kalsani wrote:

Duran Lex wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range.

The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now.

From what i understood on the dev post about effective range, when its implemented weapons will have an "optimal range" that will do full dmg as long as you are within said range. Going beyond that range will start to curtail your weapons dmg the further the range extends until no dmg is dealth, even if the bullets impact.

Currently, TAC ARs are able to do full dmg REGARDLESS of the distance to the target as long as the bullets hit.

A bit different then what you are suggesting.

No, Rei Shepard's right. Tac ARs just have ridiculous range that is pretty much only outranged by Sniper Rifles or Forge Guns. You have to pretty much be sniping at extreme range for a Tac AR to not be able to hit you in the current system.

When they implement the change, it will be able to shoot farther, albeit with damage drop-off. Another reason it will need a nerf, which it will get, because its range is only one issue with the weapon's current balance (or lack of it).

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Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 13:55:00 - [1] - Quote Just pointing something out that should be obvious to most... People who are using this respec to spec into TAC AR simply because its op, are going to find themselves whining in the future. One of the prioritized game updates will add in the Effective Ranges on all weapons, meaning no more sniping with the TAC AR. Weapons won't do any damage outside of their ranges, which will greatly balance AR's in general. AR's didn't get buffed in uprising. CCP just didn't implement effective range which is making AR's currently overpowered. The balance is coming, enjoy it while you can.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 326	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:00:00 - [2] - Quote Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range. The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:02:00 - [3] - Quote Open is stoooooooopid
Rei Shepard Spectre II 326	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:04:00 - [4] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Open is stoooooooopid lol, why spend so much words like me when you can do it all in 3 total.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens 496	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:05:00 - [5] - Quote What they are doing is straight out nerfing the TAR, so you are right for the wrong reasons. Raising recoil, lowering damage and clip size, and possibly lowering fire rate.
Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 1	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:07:00 - [6] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range. The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now. From what i understood on the dev post about effective range, when its implemented weapons will have an "optimal range" that will do full dmg as long as you are within said range. Going beyond that range will start to curtail your weapons dmg the further the range extends until no dmg is dealth, even if the bullets impact. Currently, TAC ARs are able to do full dmg REGARDLESS of the distance to the target as long as the bullets hit. A bit different then what you are suggesting.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 130	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:07:00 - [7] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Just pointing something out that should be obvious to most... People who are using this respec to spec into TAC AR simply because its op, are going to find themselves whining in the future. One of the prioritized game updates will add in the Effective Ranges on all weapons, meaning no more sniping with the TAC AR. Weapons won't do any damage outside of their ranges, which will greatly balance AR's in general. AR's didn't get buffed in uprising. CCP just didn't implement effective range which is making AR's currently overpowered. The balance is coming, enjoy it while you can. where did you find those amazing info???
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 275	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:08:00 - [8] - Quote TAC must get LR treatment thus all the CoD kids quit due to tears overflow
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 85	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:09:00 - [9] - Quote Yup. But, will it be 6 weeks or six months from now? TAR users and abusers will QQ for a respec when they do. CCP will cave. Then on to the next OP/UP debacle. Only devs know, and they've retreated from effective communication.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens 496	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:15:00 - [10] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range. The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now. From what i understood on the dev post about effective range, when its implemented weapons will have an "optimal range" that will do full dmg as long as you are within said range. Going beyond that range will start to curtail your weapons dmg the further the range extends until no dmg is dealth, even if the bullets impact. Currently, TAC ARs are able to do full dmg REGARDLESS of the distance to the target as long as the bullets hit. A bit different then what you are suggesting. It's not that the TAR has infinite range, it just has one of the best optimums, even better than the whole Tactical Rifle class of weapons (Scrambler Rifles). Once again you are right for the wrong reasons.

Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 113	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:18:00 - [11] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range. The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now. From what i understood on the dev post about effective range, when its implemented weapons will have an "optimal range" that will do full dmg as long as you are within said range. Going beyond that range will start to curtail your weapons dmg the further the range extends until no dmg is dealth, even if the bullets impact. Currently, TAC ARs are able to do full dmg REGARDLESS of the distance to the target as long as the bullets hit. A bit different then what you are suggesting. No, Rei Shepard's right. Tac ARs just have ridiculous range that is pretty much only outranged by Sniper Rifles or Forge Guns. You have to pretty much be sniping at extreme range for a Tac AR to not be able to hit you in the current system. When they implement the change, it will be able to shoot farther, albeit with damage drop-off. Another reason it will need a nerf, which it will get, because its range is only one issue with the weapon's current balance (or lack of it).
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:20:00 - [12] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: What they are doing is straight out nerfing the TAR, so you are right for the wrong reasons. Raising recoil, lowering damage and clip size, and possibly lowering fire rate. Having an arbitrary fire rate on a semi-auto would do well, because it would help keep it in the same league as the burst and automatic variants. A couple of games do that.
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming EoN. 275	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:22:00 - [13] - Quote Oh they nerf the Tac AR? Its k THERE ARE 2 other viable variants to use >.<
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 288	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:25:00 - [14] - Quote Didn't realize the tactical rifles had their own skill...
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 267	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:26:00 - [15] - Quote The big "nerf" to TAR is going to be the buff to the SCR. They are increasing its range while lowering the CQ abilities of the TAR. Basically soon the SCR will be what everyone bitches about. But it will be even worse, because they wont be able to use the SCR well, but will still just claim its an auto-win button.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens 496	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:27:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: What they are doing is straight out nerfing the TAR, so you are right for the wrong reasons. Raising recoil, lowering damage and clip size, and possibly lowering fire rate. Having an arbitrary fire rate on a semi-auto would do well, because it would help keep it in the same league as the burst and automatic variants. A couple of games do that. Yea, my favorite was the TF2 pistol. People had scripts to fire all 20 bullets at almost the same time, so Valve implemented a capped fire rate and a program that scans for the script and breaks your game if it finds it.
Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 2	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:27:00 - [17] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Its actualy the other way around, right now guns cut out at a certain range like the bullets evaporate, in the future bullets will keep traveling until they hit or deal almost no damage anymore too far of there maximum range. The Tac just has allot more range over the other AR's, thats what you are seeing right now. From what i understood on the dev post about effective range, when its implemented weapons will have an "optimal range" that will do full dmg as long as you are within said range. Going beyond that range will start to curtail your weapons dmg the further the range extends until no dmg is dealth, even if the bullets impact. Currently, TAC ARs are able to do full dmg REGARDLESS of the distance to the target as long as the bullets hit. A bit different then what you are suggesting. No, Rei Shepard's right. Tac ARs just have ridiculous range that is pretty much only outranged by Sniper Rifles or Forge Guns. You have to pretty much be sniping at extreme range for a Tac AR to not be able to hit you in the current system. When they implement the change, it will be able to shoot farther, albeit with damage drop-off. Another reason it will need a nerf, which it will get, because its range is only one issue with the weapon's current balance (or lack of it). That was the point i was trying to get across, Its the fact theres no dmg dropoff that makes the TAR so deadly atm. Thank you for clarifying/correcting my poorly stated opinion.
Panther Alpha Commando Perkone Caldari State 327	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:34:00 - [18] - Quote Well.. you spec into "Assault Rifle " skills.. the TAC is only one of the available options. So.. you can't spec into the TAC as such..the TAC is a weapon, not a skill.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 631	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:37:00 - [19] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: What they are doing is straight out nerfing the TAR, so you are right for the wrong reasons. Raising recoil, lowering damage and clip size, and possibly lowering fire rate. Only clip size will be reduced, and hip fire spread will be increased. Everything else might come down the line if TAR is still deemed OP.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 612	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:40:00 - [20] - Quote Too bad those TAR skills don't affect my GEK-38 or Duvolle. Oh wait, I already switched back to those for my Logistics fit. The normal version is a bit more effective in CQC. I keep the TAR for my scout fit for ranged combat. Proficiency in the assault rifle is never a bad thing even if the variants are tweaked.

mikegunnz Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 593	Posted - 2013.05.29 14:50:00 - [21] - Quote Others have already pointed this out, OP has a ton of mistakes. 1. There is no "Tac AR" skill to spec into. It's AR skills, which means it applies to all the other ARs too. 2. OP says damage is same at all distances for TAR. Also wrong. The TAR does less damage outside of it's optimal range. 3. OP thinks the future changes to weapon ranges/dmg will make the TAR useless. All it will do is allow SOME bullet damage to occur even beyond what the weapon's "MAX" damage is. Meaning, theoretically the TAR will be able to do a couple pts of dmg at like 200m out. (but so will the other ARs)
Dj grammer One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 2	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:37:00 - [22] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: What they are doing is straight out nerfing the TAR, so you are right for the wrong reasons. Raising recoil, lowering damage and clip size, and possibly lowering fire rate. Only clip size will be reduced, and hip fire spread will be increased. Everything else might come down the line if TAR is still deemed OP. Dev source +1. I do use the TAR's and had abused their power, but I do agree that this is the only AR you see. I agree with the changes, already went back to using my Duvolle AR or my GEK-38 AR. I find them better.


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