DUST Search - SP for AV vs Tank SP

Yeva Kalsani wrote:

I have 7 million SP and am specced into FG. Have a glass cannon fitting just for powerful tanks.

Currently there are a couple of Madrugars I cannot solo unless they get up close, but because the tanker is competent I get killed if we get into close range of each other. This is even when the tanker does not have a death squad of infantry to back him up. Even with people giving swarm launcher and other FG support, these tanks can't be taken down easily or taken down at all for an entire match.

Then you have these jokers in poorly fitted tanks, or using them all wrong and getting blown up in a matter of seconds.

Wait till the advanced and prototype tanks roll out. There will probably be a number of nigh-unkillable tanks that will take dedicated AV players working in tandem against them to even just give them some area denial, and a bunch of whiners who get their expensive toys blown up because they don't know what they're doing but just grind up, and then continue to complain that AV is overpowered.

It's working as intended. If you have something to complain about FG or AV in general, please shut up and HTFU.


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Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 341	Posted - 2013.05.28 05:30:00 - [1] - Quote Yeva Kalsani wrote: I have 7 million SP and am specced into FG. Have a glass cannon fitting just for powerful tanks. Currently there are a couple of Madrugars I cannot solo unless they get up close, but because the tanker is competent I get killed if we get into close range of each other. This is even when the tanker does not have a death squad of infantry to back him up. Even with people giving swarm launcher and other FG support, these tanks can't be taken down easily or taken down at all for an entire match. Then you have these jokers in poorly fitted tanks, or using them all wrong and getting blown up in a matter of seconds. Wait till the advanced and prototype tanks roll out. There will probably be a number of nigh-unkillable tanks that will take dedicated AV players working in tandem against them to even just give them some area denial, and a bunch of whiners who get their expensive toys blown up because they don't know what they're doing but just grind up, and then continue to complain that AV is overpowered. It's working as intended. If you have something to complain about FG or AV in general, please shut up and HTFU. Yes, I've said this multiple times and it's exactly right. Tankers, with the exception of a handful of elite ones, suck. Part of that is they don't know how to tank, the other part the glitch where EVERYBODY got ADV AV grenades, the loss of PG skill, and not having ADV and PROTO tanks. Still, there are tankers who somehow manage to own battles and get Chromosome stats on the leaderboards without redline sniping. This doesn't mean tanks are overpowered, but that the players are overpowered, as STD AV vs STD tanks is perfectly balanced. I can't remember the last time a standard forge gun or standard swarm launcher took me out because they're simply not beefy enough. It takes a whole team of those guys working together and firing at the same time to damage me faster than i can get away and rep. But still, one standard forge gun will push me back and out of the fight for a time, while multiple ones will kill me. However, when it's a 9k, Wirykomi breach, Darkside swarmer, ishukone assault, or gastun, things get much harder much quicker just because these 'tanks' we have right now are not designed to take that much damage. Now, when I think of a tank that could, it sounds like the most OP thing Ive ever heard of: 15,000 total HP, dual reppers, 50% hardeners, and proto cannons (how much should this cost: 10 mil ISK)- giving a good tanker this would be like someone taking a standard assault rifle into a PC battle and going 15:0 vs Duv TARs...and THEN giving him a handheld large blaster (oh wait, that's the Duv TAR). These will be unkillable by anything but themselves or some kind of aircraft designed to kill tanks. Why CCP hasn't given us true proto tanks is beyond me, as other weapons have OFFICER varients. This next build needs to focus on things that aren't AR's as that is hurting the game.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 341	Posted - 2013.05.28 07:35:00 - [2] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: Eventually, and soon, "speccing into AV" won't mean anything. People will decide they're at a good place with their main spec, and the smart ones will drop a million SP or so into whichever AV weapon their favored suit can fit, instead of pursuing "upgrades" whose effects are marginal at best. At that point the SP cost of AV "specs" will simply be however much SP any given player decides to drop into the weapon's skills. This is what will ultimately and completely unbalance the current AV vs. Vehicle paradigm. If CCP is smart, they've recognized this and they have the proto vehicles and proto mods ready to go, but are holding them back until they think AV saturation is sufficient to warrant their release. If not, the whole thing will just go to **** in the coming months. Unfortunately, you're right. We really need our proto tanks, CCP. How is it that EVERYTHING else has officer,proto, and advanced, but vehicles still have standard?