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![Kitten Empress Kitten Empress](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/female_amarr_128.jpg)
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:20:00 -
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A squad of Internal error. Everyone in Caldari proto assault, everyone using a duvolle TAC AR. And considering how fast their shields went down, probably 4x complex damage mods. Sigh, every match is the same these days. 6 people in proto suits using broken weapons to dominate the field. And if this wasn't enough, they brought in a tank. 692 eHP go down the drain very quickly like that.
I feel the pain of newberies, if I go squadless the game always matches me against other squads, so its always me vs 6 well coordinated people. If I go with a squad, the game becomes a cake walk. If both teams have a squad, then, ONLY THEN, does Dust feel like a proper and fun tactical game. |
![Sir Meode Sir Meode](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_caldari_128.jpg)
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
589
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:22:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:A squad of Internal error. Everyone in Caldari proto assault, everyone using a duvolle TAC AR. And considering how fast their shields went down, probably 4x complex damage mods. Sigh, every match is the same these days. 6 people in proto suits using broken weapons to dominate the field. And if this wasn't enough, they brought in a tank.
I feel the pain of newberies, if I go squadless the game always matches me against other squads, so its always me vs 6 well coordinated people. If I go with a squad, the game becomes a cake walk. If both teams have a squad, then, ONLY THEN, does Dust feel like a proper and fun tactical game.
I present to you the Flux Grenade and Mass Driver |
![SC-SAMCRO SC-SAMCRO](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_amarr_128.jpg)
SC-SAMCRO
Shadow Company HQ
5
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:22:00 -
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Need a tissue ? |
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Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
584
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:23:00 -
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What.
Did you say they brought in an expensive distraction?
Oh, I see you said 'tank'. Didn't even know this game had tanks to be honest. |
![Kitten Empress Kitten Empress](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/female_amarr_128.jpg)
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:24:00 -
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And just as I expected, you people completely missed the point. Good job. |
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Gentlemen's Agreement
28
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:26:00 -
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I give one advise man the turrets early in game,if every turret is manned the hell they getting trough |
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Panther Alpha
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:28:00 -
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So what you trying to say is ; That you either Pub Storming or been Pub Storm... Yeah i know the feeling, no room for casual players in the Dust 514.
Funny way to balance a game huh ? Be the bully, or be bullied ....![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
![Bling Blaine Bling Blaine](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_gallente_128.jpg)
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
110
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:28:00 -
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Yeah there is 0 balance, end of story. (Matchmaking or gun balance) |
![Kitten Empress Kitten Empress](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/female_amarr_128.jpg)
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:32:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So what you trying to say is ; That you either Pub Storming or been Pub Storm... Yeah i know the feeling, no room for casual players in the Dust 514. Funny way to balance a game huh ? Be the bully, or be bullied .... ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Exactly. And also how there are cream of the crop weapons and equipment. Which is currently Caldari assault + TAC AR. And don't tell me "Flux + Mass Driver" because their tanking doesn't do jack. Its their extreme amounts of damage output. They have 1000 DPS WITHOUT any damage mods. Once they do, it turns nuts. They also fit speed mods, so its hard to hit them when they're sprinting, forcing you to battle them when you are both in walking speed. |
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BOOOOOOM Headshot
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:10:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So what you trying to say is ; That you either Pub Storming or been Pub Storm... Yeah i know the feeling, no room for casual players in the Dust 514. Funny way to balance a game huh ? Be the bully, or be bullied .... ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) Exactly. And also how there are cream of the crop weapons and equipment. Which is currently Caldari assault + TAC AR. And don't tell me "Flux + Mass Driver" because their tanking doesn't do jack. Its their extreme amounts of damage output. They have 1000 DPS WITHOUT any damage mods. Once they do, it turns nuts. They also fit speed mods, so its hard to hit them when they're sprinting, forcing you to battle them when you are both in walking speed.
its actually Caldari Logistics + TAC AR![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) |
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![Geth Massredux Geth Massredux](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_amarr_128.jpg)
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:14:00 -
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LOL, you say Internal error, a whole squad of them, LOL,, trying going up against a squad of Imperfects, using Duvoll Tacs... **** hurts... Maybe im the only one who can take them out 1 on 1... Remember if they are running solo, they are easy, but if they are squaded up, yea bring on the tears...
- Geth |
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:54:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:LOL, you say Internal error, a whole squad of them, LOL,, trying going up against a squad of Imperfects, using Duvoll Tacs... **** hurts... Maybe im the only one who can take them out 1 on 1... Remember if they are running solo, they are easy, but if they are squaded up, yea bring on the tears...
- Geth Bring in an llav and start running **** over. |
![Eltra Ardell Eltra Ardell](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/female_caldari_128.jpg)
Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:56:00 -
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Hello, Limbus. |
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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
410
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:57:00 -
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See this is why I think we are on different shards, because I have never run into these guys. I always run into people in my alliance, pretty exclusively. |
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Succendo
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:02:00 -
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They run these fits because they have nothing else going on in their lives. Feel superior; you are. |
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Big miku
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
161
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:15:00 -
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But I run Proto GAL Logi and use a Exile Assault.
OP is exaggerating, I've never been in a squad who all used the same weapon, we like our diversity. OP likely got wrecked by the same two guys over and over and over and over again.. |
![Scheneighnay McBob Scheneighnay McBob](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_minmatar_128.jpg)
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1340
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:18:00 -
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That is how they won the tournament back in codex- they abused the broken things the most. Also explains why they disappeared during chromosome, because it was fairly balanced. |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1340
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:19:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Geth Massredux wrote:LOL, you say Internal error, a whole squad of them, LOL,, trying going up against a squad of Imperfects, using Duvoll Tacs... **** hurts... Maybe im the only one who can take them out 1 on 1... Remember if they are running solo, they are easy, but if they are squaded up, yea bring on the tears...
- Geth Bring in an llav and start running **** over. Correction: bring in ANY LAV and start running **** over. |
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Phantomnom
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
511
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:34:00 -
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Count how many game modes we have and then tell us where to play instead. |
![Sloth9230 Sloth9230](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_gallente_128.jpg)
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:56:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:That is how they won the tournament back in codex- they abused the broken things the most. Also explains why they disappeared during chromosome, because it was fairly balanced. Yeah... no, almost everyone uses the cheapest ways to win, they're just better at it.
Obvious butt-hurt is obvious. |
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![A'Real Fury A'Real Fury](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_caldari_128.jpg)
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
60
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:21:00 -
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I agree that there is a balancing issue as far as match making is concerned. I think that there should be squad based modes that gives better Isk payouts especially to the winning team. Minimum squad of 2 to enter this mode. The current game mode should not permit squads at all.
There should also be stats generated demonstrating the effectiveness of individual squads.
After that you should start looking at tiers but that would be dependent on number of people playing. |
![XeroTheBigBoss XeroTheBigBoss](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_gallente_128.jpg)
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
358
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:33:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:A squad of Internal error. Everyone in Caldari proto assault, everyone using a duvolle TAC AR. And considering how fast their shields went down, probably 4x complex damage mods. Sigh, every match is the same these days. 6 people in proto suits using broken weapons to dominate the field. And if this wasn't enough, they brought in a tank. 692 eHP go down the drain very quickly like that.
I feel the pain of newberies, if I go squadless the game always matches me against other squads, so its always me vs 6 well coordinated people. If I go with a squad, the game becomes a cake walk. If both teams have a squad, then, ONLY THEN, does Dust feel like a proper and fun tactical game.
Is this new news? Lol! When in Dust alone have people avoided the strong stuff and only use the non effective methods? |
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Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
99
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:45:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote: If both teams have a squad, then, ONLY THEN, does Dust feel like a proper and fun tactical game.
That is how the game is supposed to be played. Unbalanced weapons and proto gear stomping pubs is one thing, but it is SUPPOSED to be that a well organized squad will wreck a bunch of disorganized newberries. You can give both sides equal equipment and the organized squad will still destroy a group of lone wolves.
There is no reason to change how squads work or make game modes for loners, this isn't CoD. Battlefield plays the same way, where organized squads make a huge difference, but that is how that game is supposed to be played. No one expects them to change that. You people need to take your CoD goggles off and HTFU. |
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
36
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:08:00 -
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Taking the easiest way is the human nature and I don't think that's going to change... That said - if they really are using 4 dmg mods, you should have no problem taking them out with grenades |
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Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
110
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:45:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Kitten Empress wrote: If both teams have a squad, then, ONLY THEN, does Dust feel like a proper and fun tactical game.
That is how the game is supposed to be played. Unbalanced weapons and proto gear stomping pubs is one thing, but it is SUPPOSED to be that a well organized squad will wreck a bunch of disorganized newberries. You can give both sides equal equipment and the organized squad will still destroy a group of lone wolves. There is no reason to change how squads work or make game modes for loners, this isn't CoD. Battlefield plays the same way, where organized squads make a huge difference, but that is how that game is supposed to be played. No one expects them to change that. You people need to take your CoD goggles off and HTFU.
The issue is the inability to matchmake against OTHER squads and not just RANDOMS.
I played bf3 with a great group of players and we smoked/redlined nearly every match, and it created a boring game. Same thing is happening here, redline or be redlined. Organized gameplay vs Noobs. No fun for anyone.
So you sir need to take your cod/bf3 goggles off and WTFU, because you must be sleeping. |
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
40
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:02:00 -
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I've actually had pretty good luck in general all through my Dust career. Whether lone wolfing or squadding, it doesn't seem like I've had too many matches that were complete redline fests for my team or the other team.
I have had one memorable match where we got redlined into oblivion early in the game by a bunch of proto guys. They then brought in a tank to just completely amplify the beat-down. That was excessive.
Matchmaking fixes would really help. Generally it's no fun to go up against stacked squads when you are in a nothing but random group, especially if there is a huge SP discrepancy in the sides.
But you know - people need to freakin' join squads in the warbarge too and improve their teamwork. Even without mikes it's not hard to support your squadmates - especially as a logi, assault or heavy; which is most players. For scouts it's harder but still quite feasible. |
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