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Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:58:00 -
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ITT: False flag |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:56:00 -
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Ruyan Aldent wrote:I find the difference when people say "welcome to New Eden" Is that if you manage to infilitrate in EVE where they have the proper tools to do background checks, than you still must gain trust to go and be in the huge battles or even know about the battle plans that are to come, while in Dust everyone in the corp can see them and the leader cannot do a thing about who joins the PC battles. If you truely support this so called "meta gaming" Than try to fix it so you must gain trust and actually do some infiltration to be invited into doing a PC battle. Also in EVE if you do decide to fire on your own corp it is one ship that ahs to be blown up or maybe you have a team of people on the inside it is still just one kill than they are gone. In eve you just spawn until the game is done, which considering the whole game is based around clones unlike EVE where dying is just money and an inconvenience. Give the corps the proper tools to defend against it than I can see it being a legit tactic, until than it is using a broken game mechanic.
I would argue its not a broken mechanic, and that it is moreso CCP has yet to actually implement Corporation Management tools in the game to help corporations protect themselves from infiltration. A "broken mechanic" implies its not supposed to be possible ever, where as currently its simply not working as CCP intended espionage to work.
The only actual way to "fix" this is for Corporation Management to be finished and pushed out by the Dev team, but they've yet to comment on when such a feature is coming. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:18:00 -
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Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote:
You don't see us bragging about our EVE kills, but still 'amazingly incompetent'? Man that's harsh.... So far it hasn't held back our dust side at all though. Null sec will be different obviously.
Well as I said
Abut Stij wrote:its just a fair assessment of your alliance's situation
I was talking about your Alliance's overall presence in New Eden, and that simply ragging on another group for having a lower member count in DUST 514 isn't exactly the most impressive thing out there. Your EVE side support needs to be as good, if not better, at the various aspects of PVP in EVE than your DUST 514 soldiers to actually survive long term. That was the message I was trying to get across, just because you have some small accomplishments in DUST doesn't mean you'll last long. Currently this game is in its infancy and the overly vocal with the minute "accomplishments" some of the groups have been lauding is thorough entertainment as they seem to think it matters long term. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:36:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote: There are so many different people out there and not everyone likes playing a game that is built on betrayal, lies, and thievery.
Which is all find and good, but then why pick up DUST 514 which is linked to EVE online (and a main selling point of the product) and has developers that actively support, and even promote, players betraying, lying and stealing from one another?
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Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 04:47:00 -
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TheReaper852 wrote:Failing is just the normal for Betamax now.
Failing is the only consistent thing in New Eden. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:02:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:The needs of the few outway the needs of the many. You need to understand that you are a small drop in a very vast ocean
Well no not really and even if your stance was even close to being true, CCP doesn't care as they like making games where people can betray, steal and exploit one another.
Mavado V Noriega wrote:
tbh just as u said lowsec isnt really the be all end all, its more of a time for us to show what we can do on the ground. When nullsec comes around lets be perfectly honest with one another..........no new power is gonna waltz into nullsec and gain space correct? So if this is true then null groups tbqh would be looking at capable mercs to bring within their ranks as they would already have vast amounts of EVE support.
In the long run EVE support in Molden Heath isnt really THAT important, its more a kool thing to have than a necessity same thing with when u look long term, doesnt matter what little inhouse fleet u have now when null drops and if u ally/work for one of the nullsec alliances EVE backing and support is taken care of same thing with meta-game, dont think any null group would want dust mercs metagaming for them in any large capacity haha they would just be concerned with how good u are on the ground
That's assuming those larger groups such as GoonSwarm/the CFC, TEST, N3 etc. don't already have DUST 514 corps and players and will recruit internally before looking at the non-affiliated DUST corps. That would be the most likely thing as it maintains your OpSec.
And you're right, I was just busting your guys' chops with the K/B because, well....it was really embarrassing. Like there wasn't just one thing wrong with most of those fittings, there were lots of things wrong for both sides.
SoTah Pawp wrote: Goons have to buy there way into dust - no way they'd get in through skill Lol
But meta is a part of the game so give em a pat on the back for at least playing this half way through ;)
Don't be made we can win without losing any resources.
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Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:32:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote: this is one of the dumbest insults ppl like to toss around "ohh its cod players" im pretty sure most cod players if not all are actually playing COD and not on DUST 2ndly speaking u shouldnt even talk about making a functional game let alone talk anything FPS wise when ur FPS background is non existant. You are a casual player and most console games u have played arent even shooters so the fact tht u even think u know how to balance stuff or know how the FPS community is and how the console community is is disturbing.
No disrespect to u jenny but honestly speaking what exactly have u done to make dust better besides doin a live stream? What is the purpose of the CPM when the majority of the CPM dont understand the community they dealing with and have little knowledge on console shooters?
kool u played some EVE....nice......but playing EVE wont make DUST grow if u dont understand the community u trying to market the game to.
The only CPM i honestly have 100% faith in is Caz, Kain and prob Nova the others i do not.
While not having a "hardcore competitive gaming" background in FPS games specifically isn't a good thing, it is hardly the be all end all of what makes a good CPM member. You want people on the CPM who are well balanced at knowing how CCP treats their games, the core mechanics and several other factors such as how the different tools in the game should be working (i.e. the player driven market, weapon balances, corporation management etc. etc.). At present, DUST has most of its base mechanics as an FPS game figured out, identifying issues and advising CCP on how to address those issue are the main goal. Is there a major issue with weapon balance, CPM works with CCP on the issue and how to make sure no further changes affect the community's ability to play the game.
There are several things I believe most of the people are missing. Firstly, this isn't an FPS game, this is an FPS MMO Sandbox in a persistant universe where there are both in-game tools, and meta-game tools available and both need to be in a healthy balance. CCP has always had issues with making their games "new user friendly", but that has never really hurt them in the long run. This is a niche game for a niche market of users who like to have more substance to their toys. Obviously the goal of this game is to expand the consumer base CCP exposes their products too however lets not ignore the fact that in the majority of cases where people complain it was "too complicated" they simply didn't take the time to figure out what to do, they just wanted the game to be simple, which this game is far from and will continue to be far from.
Promoting and pushing for CCP to update the tutorial, even if its not implemented in the next calendar year, is a good step in making sure new users aren't completely baffled, but again its as someone said previously, this is a bit of a culture shock for more console FPS players as, to be quite honest, not many games are attempting what DUST is attempting to do, there has to still be some responsibility on the new user to take the effort to learn. CCP has a long game plan for DUST and so simply because it's not outdoing other console FPS games in terms of user base, is of not issue to the developers. World of Warcraft, Star Wars The Old Republic etc all are "outperforming" EVE Online, but EVE has continued to survive due to a dedicated user base and an understanding that it is not like other MMOs available on the market. The same should, and most likely will be, said for DUST.
Your mentioning of being an EVE veteran, seemingly as a bad thing, is moot as Hans is a member of the CPM, and if I remember correctly, was a member of the CSM in EVE and has the most experience with dealing with the balance between the player community and the developers. The majority of the current CPM, even those you put faith into, are experienced with EVE and the "sandbox" it is. and have a better grasp on how to implement the "New Eden element" to DUST than those who have only played games like MAG, SOCOM etc. etc.
If you feel the CPM isn't living up to the standards you or your group feels, rather than attacking and insulting someone on a personal level, grow up and have an adult conversation. That was not directed specifically at Mavado but at the general community. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:42:00 -
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Succendo wrote:You guys are a bunch of crybabies.
Jenza for president of world.
I approve of this product and/or service. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:51:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Jenza has literally gone around calling other players "dumbasses" and "********", among other ad hominem attacks to justify her joke of a position; she doesn't belong there, and she can't handle the community pressure, and has done nothing but ruin other player's experience with inside information almost exclusive to CPM members...rather than better the game for everyone, like the CPM should be doing.
Seriously, this unhygienic not-even-decent-looking chick needs to be given the boot.
Again, that was directed at the entire community which would, wait for it, include her. Please learn to read. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:05:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote: at least you seem to understand where im coming from. exactly, i was talking about anyone thinking having a CPM in their alliance giving them an advantage is a dumbass, and i stand by that comment.
I don't need nor want your approval. You have routinely shown as much varying levels of incompetence and stupidity as other members of this community. |
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Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:24:00 -
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Succendo wrote:I think it's safe to say that this thread has run its course, and said course is into a *****-filled river replete with dead bodies.
Which is why an ISD Team needs to be implemented, and why I've been buggying CCP Frame & CCP Eterne about it for weeks. |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.24 15:57:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have removed some personal attacks from this thread.
Eterne, as I have asked previously can you now start to seriously consider setting up an ISD Team similar to the EVE-O forums? |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:13:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Everybody wants someone they can manipulate in power Goons approving someone? Yeeeaaaah
Well yeah, wouldn't you? |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:08:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The World is full of patsies being controlled by people in the background...that's politics. People don't want smart patsies though, they might figure out what's going on
Again, why wouldn't you? And you think we can only control Jenza and not other CPM members? That's cute. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:31:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:never said I wouldn't...also never said anyone can't control other CPM members ... note "patsies" was plural and not singular. Edit: your assumption of what i meant was cute.
Damn, you got me. Well played. |
Abu Stij
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Posted - 2013.05.25 06:14:00 -
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Model No 0001 wrote:Can we get the title of this thread changed to "BetaMax got awox'd... Again" please?
Ouch. Did they even make it an interesting AWOX or just a lame "lets leave the match" type of thing?
jenza aranda wrote:Actually i kinda did, i knew there would be tears from the unexperienced but i expeced most of them to have begrudging congratulations and i did get a few of those to be fair
I can't even begin to comment on how asinine that statement is. |
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