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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Not Sorry wrote:

TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank.

Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value.

Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on.

Fourth was coming here to tell us about it.

1: Why?
2: I can one shot quite a few suits and just point at the feet of others to kill them, which seems to be the primary role of the tank. and my accelerated missiles are quite effective from range so I can hide back with my team instead of having to rush in like a blaster tank.
3: head on? I was running for cover before he started firing(killed a couple guys, saw somebody get a swarm kill, then decided to find some cover and recall my tank)
4: have to get it to CCP somehow that tanks are made of nitroglycerin and tissue paper, and they claim to read these forums. ergo, I post here.

and to predatorpants, how would a blaster tank(galente) have helped? I was outranged with missiles which have better range than blasters. wouldn't have helped with the rail shots as they're hybrid damage type.

1. Missile tanks suck, pure and simple. Small splash, low damage, and weak AV capability.
2. I will give you the fact that they are effective againt infantry, but not as much as blaster tanks are atm. Closed beta missiles were the high point for missile fits.
3. Fair enough. I didn't see any context of the fight.
4. The standard tanks have the ability to fit a lot more EHP than militia. It's pretty tough tissue. Plus, we still don't have our marauders back, so we tankers are missing our proto suits.

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Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:01:00 - [1] - Quote maybe next time just crash the RDV so I don't get my hopes up of actually getting to use a tank on the field, ever. Just lost a tank to a Railtank in 2 shots, from outside my range(missile tank) and before I could get away, at full speed. thought these things were made of something tougher than tissue paper. They move like they're made of metal, but I guess its just metallic paint on tissue paper. before someone comes and yells at me, yes it was militia, and yes it was the best I could possibly fit. also, thanks for **ing breaking Railgun installations. now they just don't even hurt other people's tanks. the bullet just flies right the ** on through. I don't even know how you did that. they were working just fine before, and you broke them now.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 598	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:03:00 - [2] - Quote Militia tanks are kittening easy to blow up. You were probably facing a Sagaris with a proto turret fitted.
Otoky DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 87	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote Tank users will QQ until they will be untouchable
Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:05:00 - [4] - Quote Laheon wrote: Militia tanks are kittening easy to blow up. You were probably facing a Sagaris with a proto turret fitted. no, it was militia. nice thing about MLT tanks. you can fit either some health(not much) or a shield rep(using caldari tanks personally) not both. Otoky wrote: Tank users will QQ until they will be untouchable and AR users will QQ until this is CoD 514: Future battlefield 4
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 598	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:08:00 - [5] - Quote Huh. In that case, switch tanks? :P
Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:09:00 - [6] - Quote but I don't like the gallente tank, their stuff looks weird. all bulbous and alien lookin'.
Otoky DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 87	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:11:00 - [7] - Quote Not Sorry wrote: Otoky wrote: Tank users will QQ until they will be untouchable and AR users will QQ until this is CoD 514: Future battlefield 4 Maby, I dont know. Im sniper and AV ( when im bored as a sniper) and never QQed anything, when I had any problem (like you cant snipe ppl from too far because the engine dont render them) I went to the Feedback/Suggestion topic
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 395	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it.
PREDATORPANTS YW Illuminati.. 3	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:13:00 - [9] - Quote Not Sorry wrote: but I don't like the gallente tank, their stuff looks weird. all bulbous and alien lookin'. You wont use equipment that could potentially solve your problem becuase you dont like the look of it?
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1066	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:15:00 - [10] - Quote delish tears

Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:22:00 - [11] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it. 1: Why? 2: I can one shot quite a few suits and just point at the feet of others to kill them, which seems to be the primary role of the tank. and my accelerated missiles are quite effective from range so I can hide back with my team instead of having to rush in like a blaster tank. 3: head on? I was running for cover before he started firing(killed a couple guys, saw somebody get a swarm kill, then decided to find some cover and recall my tank) 4: have to get it to CCP somehow that tanks are made of nitroglycerin and tissue paper, and they claim to read these forums. ergo, I post here. and to predatorpants, how would a blaster tank(galente) have helped? I was outranged with missiles which have better range than blasters. wouldn't have helped with the rail shots as they're hybrid damage type.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 397	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:44:00 - [12] - Quote Not Sorry wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it. 1: Why? 2: I can one shot quite a few suits and just point at the feet of others to kill them, which seems to be the primary role of the tank. and my accelerated missiles are quite effective from range so I can hide back with my team instead of having to rush in like a blaster tank. 3: head on? I was running for cover before he started firing(killed a couple guys, saw somebody get a swarm kill, then decided to find some cover and recall my tank) 4: have to get it to CCP somehow that tanks are made of nitroglycerin and tissue paper, and they claim to read these forums. ergo, I post here. and to predatorpants, how would a blaster tank(galente) have helped? I was outranged with missiles which have better range than blasters. wouldn't have helped with the rail shots as they're hybrid damage type. 1. Missile tanks suck, pure and simple. Small splash, low damage, and weak AV capability. 2. I will give you the fact that they are effective againt infantry, but not as much as blaster tanks are atm. Closed beta missiles were the high point for missile fits. 3. Fair enough. I didn't see any context of the fight. 4. The standard tanks have the ability to fit a lot more EHP than militia. It's pretty tough tissue. Plus, we still don't have our marauders back, so we tankers are missing our proto suits.
Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:50:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Not Sorry wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it. 1: Why? 2: I can one shot quite a few suits and just point at the feet of others to kill them, which seems to be the primary role of the tank. and my accelerated missiles are quite effective from range so I can hide back with my team instead of having to rush in like a blaster tank. 3: head on? I was running for cover before he started firing(killed a couple guys, saw somebody get a swarm kill, then decided to find some cover and recall my tank) 4: have to get it to CCP somehow that tanks are made of nitroglycerin and tissue paper, and they claim to read these forums. ergo, I post here. and to predatorpants, how would a blaster tank(galente) have helped? I was outranged with missiles which have better range than blasters. wouldn't have helped with the rail shots as they're hybrid damage type. 1. Missile tanks suck, pure and simple. Small splash, low damage, and weak AV capability. 2. I will give you the fact that they are effective againt infantry, but not as much as blaster tanks are atm. Closed beta missiles were the high point for missile fits. 3. Fair enough. I didn't see any context of the fight. 4. The standard tanks have the ability to fit a lot more EHP than militia. It's pretty tough tissue. Plus, we still don't have our marauders back, so we tankers are missing our proto suits. 1: still better than the last build, those things were so slow you could walk over and wallop somebody with a stick before they got there. but I see your point, they're the middle child of tank armaments, and suffer for it. 2: Never saw a missile tank in closed beta, but back then every tank could just roll on the field and autowin. 4: just need to get to 50,000 SP(already have Cal LAV3) to get standard Cal tanks and to get another 150,000 to unlock the ability to buy shield extenders I'm almost scared to see what happens with enforcer tanks, dat range and power boost. but also, dat squishy health, but by then I should have maxed my passives and be able to fit a fairly impressive passive/active tank on it so that I might be able to run.
HERCULEZE Neanderthal Nation 11	Posted - 2013.05.22 13:50:00 - [14] - Quote Run two somas last night with minimal tanking skills, lost both. Wont be trying again until I have 'good tanking skills'. Or Team of noobs? BRING OUT THE TANK Squad of 12? LOL LAV TIME
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 309	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:10:00 - [15] - Quote be happy u lasted 2 shots.... MLT = OHK with anyone that knows their AV. get a better tank then QQ with the rest how its also made of paper cause it lasted 4 shots... and be happy it at least dropped... notice good tankers aren't complaining? cant just drop something in anywhere tip for the day
Not Sorry Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:13:00 - [16] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: be happy u lasted 2 shots.... MLT = OHK with anyone that knows their AV. get a better tank then QQ with the rest how its also made of paper cause it lasted 4 shots... and be happy it at least dropped... notice good tankers aren't complaining? cant just drop something in anywhere tip for the day dropped in behind a mountain. got to the portion of the map where I could see a decent portion of the field while being within what I thought was running distance of cover. I was wrong. I would like to even have a chance to rectify this mistake before being dead. suits get that grace(I outran the entire enemy team I spawned in in an ambush match while under fire). why don't tanks?
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2013.05.22 14:19:00 - [17] - Quote Laheon wrote: Militia tanks are kittening easy to blow up. You were probably facing a Sagaris with a proto turret fitted. lets here it for most ludicrous statement of the day. the marauder class was taken out
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 330	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote Militia tanks have great return on invenstment. You don't have to pay that much for my Python to get me a few hundred war points.
Tanis Jumes The Exemplars Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:06:00 - [19] - Quote Otoky wrote: Tank users will QQ until they will be untouchable Hay where is our support?!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 398	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:26:00 - [20] - Quote Once you roll around in the standard version (I'm a Gunnlogi driver too ) with some decent modules and skills, it gets much better. I'm anticipating OP tank threads when Marauders come back, but for now, skill up, bide your time, and know that there is light at the end of the tunnel for us HAVbros.

Ted Nugget SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 133	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:46:00 - [21] - Quote I am caldari and my tank doesn't get two shotted. You sir have a bad fit if you are getting two shotted. I can take about 4 or 5 shots from a proto rail. My best fit can take more than that. Reevaluate what you are doing and adust your fit. Hope that helps
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 223	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it. ^ This
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 264	Posted - 2013.05.22 15:52:00 - [23] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Your first mistake was building a militia missile tank. Your second one was calling in a missile tank and thinking it has any battlefield value. Your third was thinking that a missile tank could stand up to a rail tank head-on. Fourth was coming here to tell us about it. Eh, to be fair Militia Missile tanks are worthwhile if you load it out with all fragmentation, and know exactly where to drive and where to avoid depending on the map and pick your fights, I lost exactly all of two of them yesterday and managed to be in the top three of my team consistently for a few dozen maps, alternating between them and real railgun tanks. I've used Large Missile HAVs since early closed beta, and the main problem is people don't treat them differently then normal tanks and missuse them, they can be absurdly effective when lurking around your infantry and helping them piledrive through an area, and then leaving the very moment the job is done. Players always adapt but are usually 90% of the time stupid and expect your HAV to be in the same spot, so just always keep moving, avoid close corners (Or eat surprise AV grenades), and keep track of the parts of the battlefield that have a lot of vertical cover near one another (So you can splash damage infantry no matter where they are by aiming behind their cover), and always retreat and find a different part of the battlefield so your normal infantry can hit the now-AV infantry in your original location (sure-win). Granted I've been driving HAVs since the beginning, but Large Missile Turrets are not useless, I'm living proof, you just have to know that they are a decidedly different tool. HAVs cost too much isk and too many SP for what they can do in the current build, but just barely, they are still murderously effective they just are not brute-force weapons (Unless you love losing them), they are precision tools.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.05.22 16:44:00 - [24] - Quote To the OP: I output 2,421.15 damage per round on my gunnlogi. So yah, two shots on your militia POS sounds about right. What you want to remember, if you want to drive tanks, is: enemy tankers really don't like you. They will hunt you down and exterminate you with extreme prejudice. However tank battles are a lot more interest if you aren't running around in a militia POS. I mean honestly... what did you expect?
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 155	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:19:00 - [25] - Quote Not Sorry wrote: militia This is your problem. Militia tanks are useless.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 323	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:22:00 - [26] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: be happy u lasted 2 shots.... MLT = OHK with anyone that knows their AV. get a better tank then QQ with the rest how its also made of paper cause it lasted 4 shots... and be happy it at least dropped... notice good tankers aren't complaining? cant just drop something in anywhere tip for the day it takes my proto rail with 2 damage mods 2 shots 2 blow up a sica. maybe ur forge can but a rail can't. and no turret can.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4551	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:28:00 - [27] - Quote This has been one thing i have noticed about vehicle warfare that unlike infantry where the individuals skills can easily trump gear that is not the case with vehicles. Most of the time its who had the bigger gun and who started to get shot first. Militia tanks have an extremely hard time taking out proper fitted military grade vehicles and that is for certain. However as for military basic vs military proto I have yet to sit down or have the skills to try yet. Also what is the deal with shield tanks moving slower than armor tanks now?
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:29:00 - [28] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Not Sorry wrote: militia This is your problem. Militia tanks are useless. Well... I wouldn't say useless. I love to roll around in my Kaalakiota every once in a while, lookin like a pimp. Of course I only fit it with proto level gear and only rail snipe in secure positions with it, unless I am 100% sure that there is no posible threat, and even then I'm kinda skittish about it. Militia is ok... ish, if you have the skill to properly fit one.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4551	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:32:00 - [29] - Quote I have to agree milita vs infantry is fine. If you play smart you can support your squad and survive the fight. Milita vs other HAVs unless they're militia you're not winning.
Higgs flagrantfool 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 68	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:48:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also what is the deal with shield tanks moving slower than armor tanks now? Ahh, man don't even get me started on that one. SHIELDS NEED SOME MORE FRIKIN ACCELERATION, DAMN IT CCP! Come Wolf, man push that one on CCP for us. And tell them to fix the damned Jovian on shield tanks while your at it. Feels fine on LAVs, but doesn't feel like it's doing a damned thing for tanks.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4551	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:56:00 - [31] - Quote I would but they want to like.... redo vehicles entirely so all of these measures or most of them are just band aids and if anything needs a bandaid now its the dropship.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 248	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:31:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would but they want to like.... redo vehicles entirely so all of these measures or most of them are just band aids and if anything needs a bandaid now its the dropship. Did the give a time frame on when this is supposed to be happening? Or is this all to be happening SOONtm?


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