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Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:42:00 -
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Is too good for CQC. More dispersion is needed, or the SMG is pointless. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:46:00 -
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????
Really?! More dispersion?! Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us?! The AR has more dispersion than it ever has before and you're calling for more? I can't believe it. The SMG already works quite well and fills its CQC niche quite well. In this game think of it more as a PDW (personal defense weapon) or weapon of last resort. It is perfect for spraying about and doing damage quickly. If anything making the AR have more dispersion is the wrong tact here. If anything the SMG needs a higher rate of fire. That is what would make it more usefull. Mmmmm Assault SMG+. |
Talos Alomar
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Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:48:00 -
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+1 |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:53:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:????
Really?! More dispersion?! Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us?! The AR has more dispersion than it ever has before and you're calling for more? I can't believe it. The SMG already works quite well and fills its CQC niche quite well. In this game think of it more as a PDW (personal defense weapon) or weapon of last resort. It is perfect for spraying about and doing damage quickly. If anything making the AR have more dispersion is the wrong tact here. If anything the SMG needs a higher rate of fire. That is what would make it more usefull. Mmmmm Assault SMG+.
Read again, I'm talking about during hipfire. If you want pinpoint accuracy you should have to use irons. Currently, theres no reason to spec smg other than it looks cool and belongs to the master race. Rifles has no real drawbacks, so much so the tac AR is the logical cqc weapon right now. Point? Watch @ 6:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HleOwMsOYww |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:59:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Is too good for CQC. More hipfire dispersion is needed, or the SMG is pointless.
Agreed.
Like.
Perhaps:
AR Rifle more dispersion in hipfire and buff the SMG with an increased SMG fire rate and or increased SMG damage per bullet??
Thanks for reading this. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:49:00 -
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+1 been a while since i seen this topic hopefully it catches on this time instead of just getting trolled out,
Only thing i can make of the AR currently is that it is a galentee plasma weapon so perhaps it has tight hip fire intentionally as they do close range weapons hopefully other races dont have the same tight hip fire clustering but better range and damage at range.
If not intentional as a racial bonus then yes +1 AR hip fire needs to be less accurate or at least spread out more by firing and moving more (this is coming from a dedicated AR and scrambler rifle user) |
ZiwZih
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.21 17:59:00 -
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Agree.
Since Uprising I never felt need to skill into S-weapons. TAR does the job, just add the STD SCP for additional bullet or two if necessary.
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Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:12:00 -
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agreed, the Tac AR has become the 'everything' weapon, need a serious fix for that |
REMNANCY 1
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:17:00 -
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I hate to play Captain obvious here but as an Imp shouldn't you be opposed to this idea as increasing hipfire dispersion and what not would at least moderately hamper the effectiveness of every tryhard's silver bullet quick strafing right? |
Knarf Black
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:20:00 -
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I'm not sure if SMGs need a buff, but the Tac definitely needs a nerf. It's getting to the point where Tac ARs and grenades are responsible for almost 90% of my deaths. |
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Rachoi
HavoK Core
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:32:00 -
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REMNANCY 1 wrote:I hate to play Captain obvious here but as an Imp shouldn't you be opposed to this idea as increasing hipfire dispersion and what not would at least moderately hamper the effectiveness of every tryhard's silver bullet quick strafing right?
i'd more think the Imps are tired of it all beign the same old thing big guy, because for the life of all of us... we really need the variety back, cause in Chromosome i was getting killed by EVERYTHING, and that just showed how many people liked to try new things |
REMNANCY 1
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:42:00 -
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Suffer no illusions but I do not resent the concept of strafing as a whole rather I resent that it's current progeny has became the one and only technique which has homoginized gameplay more than anything else and as such we should reduce it to the point where it becomes one methodology among many and Dust actually becomes a hardcore skill shooter rather than a cheap run and gun Sci-fi COD knockoff |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:48:00 -
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REMNANCY 1 wrote:Suffer no illusions but I do not resent the concept of strafing as a whole rather I resent that it's current progeny has became the one and only technique which has homoginized gameplay more than anything else and as such we should reduce it to the point where it becomes one methodology among many and Dust actually becomes a hardcore skill shooter rather than a cheap run and gun Sci-fi COD knockoff
No this game should not be a stand still and shoot eachother game. This game should actually have faster straffing....it would be alot more fun to play. |
REMNANCY 1
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:53:00 -
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I like how you think the only tactic in the world is to stand out in the open and simply expect to live and no we don't need faster strafing we need people to actually develop skill |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:59:00 -
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REMNANCY 1 wrote:Suffer no illusions but I do not resent the concept of strafing as a whole rather I resent that it's current progeny has became the one and only technique which has homoginized gameplay more than anything else and as such we should reduce it to the point where it becomes one methodology among many and Dust actually becomes a hardcore skill shooter rather than a cheap run and gun Sci-fi COD knockoff
...definately agreed, i'd like it to be more tactical for sure, because even now we need to see tactics, instead of blobbing everywhere.
i would actually rather see it become a slight bit more like battlefeild in only a couple of aspects |
REMNANCY 1
Opus Arcana
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.21 19:01:00 -
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I would hope so after all people can't dodge bullets in Battlefield and it is better for it |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:52:00 -
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REMNANCY 1 wrote:I hate to play Captain obvious here but as an Imp shouldn't you be opposed to this idea as increasing hipfire dispersion and what not would at least moderately hamper the effectiveness of every tryhard's silver bullet quick strafing right?
LOL. We arnt a hivemind, except when it comes to stomping. But broken mechanics are broken.
Exhibit B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6ElktLoFY |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:57:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Currently, theres no reason to spec smg (over assault rifle)
It is a sidearm.... |
Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.05.22 05:57:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Currently, theres no reason to spec smg (over assault rifle) It is a sidearm....
Pistol is a sidearm, SMG should be an SMG. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:50:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:XiBravo wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Currently, theres no reason to spec smg (over assault rifle) It is a sidearm.... Pistol is a sidearm, SMG should be an SMG.
Point is, it is not ment to be balanced against the assault rifle as it is a secondary weapon. The reason to spec into it is because you can carry it in addition to another weapon that may be better than(AR) or fill a different role (Sniper,swarm,etc) |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:06:00 -
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hmm if we had a SMG that did 70+damage per that while hipfiring could easily hit from 30m away without the need to ADS... to bad. that would be nice. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:34:00 -
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This is why we need weapon balance folks. Not only does the TAR eliminate incentive to use the other AR variants, the AR line diminishes incentive to use sidearms in CQC. With the exception of the breach there needs to be a wider hip fire spread for ARs, or a damage falloff similar to the laser to force the user to need that sidearm. But the TAR needs a hip fire spread like a damn sniper rifle. |
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