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Far Fall
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:07:00 -
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Once CCP stops giving out respecs and someone ends up having their previously FOTM build nerfed I can foresee a lot of sad people. I guess the life lesson is - skill into what you actually like, what's good now might suck horribly in a couple of months and you'll enjoy it even less playing the underpowered guy whose weapon/role you don't enjoy (In my opinion, kind of different from other FPSes in this regard). Lookin' at you tankers and dropship peoples :D. Hopefully one day you shall arrive in the promised land, and hopefully that day you will have enough skill points to be a tanker or dropship pilot or thou may find thyself looking at that tank on the hill wistfully.
This is all assuming that specialization will actually continue to be a theme of this game and you can't just wait and grind sp to be awesome at everything you want to be awesome at. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
348
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:23:00 -
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Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1065
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:29:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. The nerf hammer won't always come down. You might see more buff nails on things to counter the FotM when it's not something game breaking like the TAR. Look at how often you see CaLogis running around with the SR on the loose. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
540
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:35:00 -
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What I'm quite aggravated about it is that I pretty much need to spec into a sidearm which is not Nova Knives due to the extreme framerate drops I get in CQC - impossible to hit anyone in NK. Assuming this gets fixed in the coming weeks, I might be stuck with a weapon I don't like.
Alternative is to defer sidearm specialization for now - another sub-optimal compromise.
Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits.
The problem with that logic is that very few will have enough foresight and patience to bank unused SP until the next patch to benefit from the next FOTM, thus gimping your character for months on end.
What really happens is that in the next patch TAR will be gimped, and, say, MD will be the new king of the hill. No one will have enough SP to skill into it, so it'll take weeks for the news to get out and people to spec into MD.
And when that happens, the QQ of TAR users used to 10:1 KDR will be epic. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1065
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:42:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:And when that happens, the QQ of TAR users used to 10:1 KDR will be epic. Man, I can't wait to see all the nerf QQ threads. Also, the MD will never be the FotM. That thing actually requires skill to use instead of a modded controller. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
310
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Posted - 2013.05.21 09:51:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:And when that happens, the QQ of TAR users used to 10:1 KDR will be epic. Man, I can't wait to see all the nerf QQ threads. Also, the MD will never be the FotM. That thing actually requires skill to use instead of a modded controller.
As annoying as MD users could be last build, I have to admit learning how to get those funky arced shots to go anywhere precise is a pain in the arse. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:25:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits.
CCP track record SAYS much faster than this. I hope the FOTM crew rages and I welcome the tears. |
Ayures II
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
123
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:08:00 -
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I'm taking the same approach I took in EVE... Spec into whatever looks cool or fun to you. Wait for it to get buffed later and work toward an alliance doctrine fit in the meantime. |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
370
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:10:00 -
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I am only getting the respec because of the change of only needing level 3 in basic to unlock specialization I have yet to use the Gal medium proto I only use the Logi suits or occasionally the STD basic for AV fittings so having level 5 really is pointless for me. |
Mr PurpSicle
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:15:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits.
Very good point.
This is a competitive game and most of the high end players AREN'T just fanboys of x. They want to win and will do whatever it takes to gain an edge, not be like "I 8> lazors!!!!" or "I 8> tanks." I know it sucks having these FOTM I win buttons and makes the game a bit unfair for those who don't spec into them. This is why CCP needs to allow respecs more often, maybe even unlimited respecs. If the game is unbalanced the quickest way to truly find what is out of wack is to let the masses decided and view the empirical data.
Also, can't stand those who blindly argue against optional respecs without sound reasoning. Remember, "Dust =/= EVE". Dust is mostly an FPS, and barely an MMORPG. When it comes down to it, the person with the most FPS skill will win 95% of the time. |
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CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
67
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:17:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:What I'm quite aggravated about it is that I pretty much need to spec into a sidearm which is not Nova Knives due to the extreme framerate drops I get in CQC - impossible to hit anyone in NK. Assuming this gets fixed in the coming weeks, I might be stuck with a weapon I don't like. Alternative is to defer sidearm specialization for now - another sub-optimal compromise. Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. The problem with that logic is that very few will have enough foresight and patience to bank unused SP until the next patch to benefit from the next FOTM, thus gimping your character for months on end. What really happens is that in the next patch TAR will be gimped, and, say, MD will be the new king of the hill. No one will have enough SP to skill into it, so it'll take weeks for the news to get out and people to spec into MD. And when that happens, the QQ of TAR users used to 10:1 KDR will be epic.
so it's not just me being useless, I honestly thought something was up when I couldn't melee somebody stood still in front of me, |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
107
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:18:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I am only getting the respec because of the change of only needing level 3 in basic to unlock specialization I have yet to use the Gal medium proto I only use the Logi suits or occasionally the STD basic for AV fittings so having level 5 really is pointless for me. Me too. Besides, I'm getting FGs again to deal with LAVs |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
107
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:19:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. The nerf hammer won't always come down. You might see more buff nails on things to counter the FotM when it's not something game breaking like the TAR. Look at how often you see CaLogis running around with the SR on the loose. They've begun stacking armor plates |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1066
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:23:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Cosgar wrote:Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. The nerf hammer won't always come down. You might see more buff nails on things to counter the FotM when it's not something game breaking like the TAR. Look at how often you see CaLogis running around with the SR on the loose. They've begun stacking armor plates Flaylock Pistol! |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
107
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:Cosgar wrote:Sontie wrote:Gamers, especially FPS gamers, do not have fun unless they are doing well. If their "favorite" set-up is gimped, they will stop having fun and sooner rather than later, find a game that rewards them for playing they way they want to.
FOTM might change, but it changes so slowly. Doubly so with any project CCP is involved in.
Say everyone respecs into duvolle tac ar with proto logi come the respec. How long before that set-up is no longer amazing? 3 months? 6?
Long enough to have the SP to go in a different direction with the nerf hammer hits. The nerf hammer won't always come down. You might see more buff nails on things to counter the FotM when it's not something game breaking like the TAR. Look at how often you see CaLogis running around with the SR on the loose. They've begun stacking armor plates Flaylock Pistol! **** currently with its small splash radius and lagging shots |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
47
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Posted - 2013.05.21 12:16:00 -
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For me i'll be keeping my gallente Logi and my assault rifle, so i'm a little old skool but i like what i like. I may use some excess SP to get my minmatar logi for skirmish hacking setups and i quite like the gallente med frame proto as a quick assault guy but if you keep basic you save yourself disappointment when something gets nerfed.
There will always be a FOTM but keep to your roots and you always have a backup ready and i must admit the Gallente/Minmatar cross spec has always done me well in EVE and i'm looking forward to a minmatar assault rifle and hopefully eventual Angel Cartel suits/weapons :D |
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