DUST Search - Request Scrambler Rifle Operation Skill Change

BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:

medomai grey wrote:

I do not support this. The harsh heat build up is the balancing factor for the scrambler rifle. If you want to reduce heat build up of your scrambler rifle, skill into Amar assault suits. Any more skills that reduce the heat build up on the scrambler rifle will push it into OP territory. Further more the heat build up on the assault variant is negligible.

Scrambler rifles are one of the most rewarding but difficult weapons to use in the game. If you can't manage the heat build up, go skill into assault rifles; you don't have to manage any heat with those.

Having spoken my mind about my favorite in game weapon... please don't stone me :P

while that may be true, going up against a TAC it will mostly be at a disadvantage since the TAC can spam with no punish whereas the SCR will heat up and burn you. I would be okay with the heat up if TAR had a ROF cap but it does not so in a 1v1 its unbalanced. reduced heat build up will just make SCR on par with TAR


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Cinaed Corvus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:56:00 - [1] - Quote As has been suggested by other people there should be a couple of changes done to the SCR and ASCR. Here are some of them: Scrambler operation skill - instead of the reduction in charge time, which only the scrambler rifle has, not the assault scram-rifle, there should be something that is specific to the rifle while also encouraging players to fully skill into the weapon because what the operation skill has to offer; i.e., have the operation skill increase the optimal range (kind of stretch it) at a rate of 5% per level, after adding in a much needed 15% buff to the maximum range of the both the rifles for the sake of EVE lore. This would change the stats in this way: (THIS IS TAKING FROM KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf) Imperial Scrambler Rifle Maximum range: 87 ---> 100 (with a possibility of looking at a 20% buff to the maximum range which would equate to 104.4 m) Effective range: 1-48 ---> could max out at 60 m Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle
Cinaed Corvus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:55:00 - [2] - Quote BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote: medomai grey wrote: I do not support this. The harsh heat build up is the balancing factor for the scrambler rifle. If you want to reduce heat build up of your scrambler rifle, skill into Amar assault suits. Any more skills that reduce the heat build up on the scrambler rifle will push it into OP territory. Further more the heat build up on the assault variant is negligible. Scrambler rifles are one of the most rewarding but difficult weapons to use in the game. If you can't manage the heat build up, go skill into assault rifles; you don't have to manage any heat with those. Having spoken my mind about my favorite in game weapon... please don't stone me :P while that may be true, going up against a TAC it will mostly be at a disadvantage since the TAC can spam with no punish whereas the SCR will heat up and burn you. I would be okay with the heat up if TAR had a ROF cap but it does not so in a 1v1 its unbalanced. reduced heat build up will just make SCR on par with TAR The weapon shouldn't get additional reduction in heat build up. That is one of the balancing factors. If you want that on the ASCR or SCR, then skill into Amarr assault. What needs to be done with the ASCR and SCR is to bring it back into line with the established differences and mechanics of both the existing shipped based examples of our weapons and the racial lore of EVE. I do agree to the fact that the TacAR needs a hard cap on the ROF and maybe a buff to the kick of the weapon when hip firing. I believe the suggestion that I have posted and the number behind it would go to balancing the weapons between each other while making the engagements between the two more about the skill of the player and how they have decided to skill their character.
Cinaed Corvus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 18:21:00 - [3] - Quote Here are some comparisons between the available ranges of both the blasters and the pulse lasers. Pulse lasers have better range than blasters, hybrid weapon from the same class, but do considerably less damage. Anyway, pulse lasers are in favor among skilled pilots because they provide good damage/range ratio. By contrast with beam turrets, pulses fire rapidly several times in a cycle. Beam lasers have a shorter optimal range than their hybrid railgun counterparts, but do, as a whole, more damage. Advanced coolant technologies allow beam lasers to keep firing for a long time without overheating. The heaviest lasers, battleship-class tachyon beam lasers, are regarded by many as brutally devastating sniper weapons (although their range is limited) and are often used in fleet sieges. Tech I energy turret comparison Name SizeActivationRangeRate of fireDamage modTracking speedSignature res. Gatling Pulse LaserSmall1.82 GJ4,000+500 m2.10 s1.5x0.308125 rad/sec40 m Dual Light Pulse LaserSmall2.67 GJ4,500+1,500 m2.70 s2x0.27375 rad/sec40 m Medium Pulse LaserSmall4.44 GJ5,000+2,000 m3.50 s3x0.24625 rad/sec40 m Dual Light Beam LaserSmall3.89 GJ8,750+3,000 m3.20 s2x0.13 rad/sec40 m Medium Beam LaserSmall7.22 GJ10,000+4,000 m4.00 s3x0.1 rad/sec40 m Focused Medium Pulse LaserMedium8 GJ9,000+3,000 m4.05 s2x0.09 rad/sec125 m Heavy Pulse LaserMedium13.33 GJ10,000+4,000 m5.25 s3x0.08125 rad/sec125 m Quad Light Beam LaserMedium5.45 GJ8,000+1,000 m3.15 s1.5x0.081 rad/sec125 m Focused Medium Beam LaserMedium11.67 GJ17,000+6,000 m4.80 s2x0.042 rad/sec125 m Heavy Beam LaserMedium21.67 GJ20,000+8,000 m6.00 s3x0.033 rad/sec125 m Dual Heavy Pulse LaserLarge25 GJ18,000+6,000 m6.08 s2x0.0375 rad/sec400 m Mega Pulse LaserLarge40 GJ20,000+8,000 m7.88 s3x0.03375 rad/sec400 m Dual Heavy Beam LaserLarge35 GJ35,000+12,000 m7.20 s2x0.0175 rad/sec400 m Mega Beam LaserLarge65 GJ40,000+16,000 m9.00 s3x0.0153125 rad/sec400 m Tachyon Beam LaserLarge95 GJ44,000+20,000 m12.50 s4.5x0.0139205 rad/sec400 m Dual Giga Pulse LaserExtra large320 GJ32,000+5,000 m11.81 s8x0.0040512 rad/sec1000 m Dual Giga Beam LaserExtra large520 GJ72,000+22,000 m13.50 s5.5x0.002296875 rad/sec1000 m Blasters are an extremely short range, highly destructive weapon system. Blasters possess high tracking speeds, short cycle times, and high volley damage, and as a result are one of the most powerful weapons available. Blasters consume ammunition quickly, though this is mitigated by high capacity magazines. With their very short effective range, a Microwarpdrive or Afterburner is mandatory for combat, lest pilots rely on their superior range to deny blaster equipped ships a chance to land a hit. Tech I Hybrid Turret Comparison Name Size Activation Range Rate of fire Damage mod Tracking speed Signature res. Light Electron Blaster I Small 0.938 GJ 1,000+1,500 m 2 s 1.75x 0.365 rad/sec 40 m Light Ion Blaster I Small 1.561 GJ 1,250+2,000 m 3 s 2.8125 x 0.336 rad/sec 40 m Light Neutron Blaster I Small 2.023 GJ 1,500+2,500 m 4 s 3.5 x 0.3165 rad/sec 40 m 75mm Gatling Rail I Small 1.67 GJ 6,000+3,000 m 3 s 1.5 x 0.13 rad/sec 40 m 125mm Railgun I Small 2.15 GJ 9,000+5,000 m 3 s 2 x 0.085 rad/sec 40 m 150mm Railgun I Small 3.34 GJ 12,000+6,000 m 4 s 2.75 x 0.07 rad/sec 40 m Heavy Electron Blaster I Medium 2.8 GJ 2,000+3,000 m 3 s 1.75 x 0.12 rad/sec 125 m Heavy Ion Blaster I Medium 4.669 GJ 2,500+4,000 m 5 s 2.8125 x 0.11 rad/sec 125 m Heavy Neutron Blaster I Medium 6.069 GJ 3,000+5,000 m 5 s 3.5 x 0.1 rad/sec 125 m Dual 150mm Railgun I Medium 5 GJ 12,000+6,000 m 4 s 1.5 x 0.042 rad/sec 125 m 200mm Railgun I Medium 6.45 GJ 18,000+10,000 m 5 s 2 x 0.028 rad/sec 125 m 250mm Railgun I Medium 10 GJ 24,000+12,000 m 6 s 2.75 x 0.023 rad/sec 125 m Electron Blaster Cannon I Large 8.4 GJ 4,000+6,000 m 5 s 1.75 x 0.05 rad/sec 400 m Ion Blaster Cannon I Large 14 GJ 5,000+8,000 m 7 s 2.8125 x 0.046 rad/sec 400 m Neutron Blaster Cannon I Large 18.2 GJ 6,000+10,000 m 8 s 3.5 x 0.0433 rad/sec 400 m Dual 250mm Railgun I Large 15 GJ 24,000+12,000 m 6 s 1.5 x 0.0175 rad/sec 400 m 350mm Railgun I Large 22 GJ 36,000+20,000 m 7 s 2 x 0.01167 rad/sec 400 m 425mm Railgun I Large 30 GJ 48,000+24,000 m 10 s 2.75 x 0.009625 rad/sec 400 m By looking at the charts above, the range discrepancy between blasters and pulse laser is immense (4 to 1 on maximum range with a shorter optimal for the pulse lasers with the blasters having shorter range with a stretched optimal) So if one was to align themselves with the existing models given to us by CCP in EVE through their turret designs, then even my suggestions would only marginally bring the weapons into balance with the lore, BUT would balance them out on the battle field for DUST. Granted the stats above also take into consideration things such as tracking speed and the effective range, which is something that is not applicable to DUST, but I think the point is well illustrated.
Cinaed Corvus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote: Cinaed, I would recommend sticking to the T2 of the individual levels per weapon to avoid the giant wall of (somewhat) useless information. Using the T2 for Electron, Ion, and Neutron Blasters is enough. Same with the Pulse lasers. But yes, my opinion is that of lasers should indeed be getting better range than Gallente Plasma Tech. It should not be getting better range than the Caldari equipment once it rolls out, however. At the same time, you should be comparing the Pulse Laser (Scrambler Rifle) to the Blasters (Shotguns) and not the ARs. ARs are a sort of middle ground, rounding out the Gallente plasma tech and giving us a (slightly) longer range option for engaging. Appreciate the input and with your assertion I completely agree. The Caldari gauss rifle/rail gun and the Amarr lasers should be the kings of range. NOT the Gallente Blaster tech based TacAR.