. EVERY and I mean EVERY, player in your team should be able to take on 2 players at same time and win. That's the barest minimum for EVERY TEAM, SOLO, and CROSSEYED FPS game out there. any lower.. then well, why are you in PC?

Not counting you snipers. I never count you snipers with your 30-0 camping asses.

And I'm being nice. takes 4-5 to kill me off. leaving one 1 remaining. proto or not. Should be standard.

This doesnt make any sense. The best players in the game cant take on two of the best players in the game at the same time.

For example, if you took the #1 player and had him fight the #2 and #3 player at the same time, he would get owned. Your criteria for bare minimum PC ignores the quality of opponent. Dumb FPS players always do this, especially when talking about "stats".

Yes, you should be able to take on two scrubs, but in PC, you wont be playing scrubs, youll be playing other elite players like yourself.

I'm using myself as criteria. Man, it's not hard to take cover or dodge. complex re chargers help. And don't go saying you can't.

I've run ADVANCE against Proto's with TAC. Proto heavies. and only proto scouts with damn sonic powers give me trouble 1vs1.

You can too. keep your eyes moving. make come to you. take cover, now are they going wide around or rushing in? have your nades ready if they rushing in.

You are missing my point. What if you ran into two of you in battle? No matter how good you are, you wont beat two of yourself. You're ignoring quality of opponent. Its a common mistake when folks like to brag about their FPS skills. Its why good matchamking makes stats like k/d meaningless in most FPS games. Its why before the popularity of online gaming, EVERYONE thought they were amazing at Golden Eye and Halo 1.

Yes, I can destroy most players 2on1, but I will get owned by the top guys 1on1. And I will get destroyed by the top players 2 on 1.

I think this thread has been made entirely to stroke your own ego. That's not 5v1, that's three separate 1v1's and a surprise with an explosive (plus some stupid play from them, never group up, especially on an objective).

Frankly, if you want some ego stroking, GD isn't the place to do it. You'll get shot down quicker than a duck during hunting season.

actually this thread went off from the topic. Started as to highlight difference in what is a spy and what is a saboteur.

But even if you were 2 guys out, if your gun game was 1>2 or 1>3 then you even out. thats what I'm trying to get at here.

But why would you fall for your own tricks to allow you to do that? You arent playing two players as good as you if you are able to outsmart them that much. Maybe you are playing two guys with a good gun game, but not overall skill. If you tried that same strategy on yourself, youd see it coming and avoid falling prey to it.

The spy VS saboteur thing was interesting but I'm still not sure how the "1>2 or 1>3" is related to the spy/saboteur game.
Please enlighten me.

this isn't twilight zone dude. nor even that episode of BABYLON 5. (come on I know I'm not the only one that watches that) It's not likely I'll face myself. some that are better or close to it, but the my exact copy. that's where mistakes on my or their part turns the tide. I think i know what your getting at, but it's not probable. their will still be slight differences. Don't even want to do the math of the chances of me running into not just my identicle in gun game, but in skill or thinking.

Hell storm. How did they win? how many times djinn or his buddies were able to 1>2 or 1>3? which also let them to gobble up objectives. look at the vid.