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EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:17:00 - [1] - Quote A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1579	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:18:00 - [2] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that It'll be fixed, don't worry.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:20:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that It'll be fixed, don't worry. Im not worried at all Its just scrubs thinking its smart and clever when anyone can do it which requires no skill to do in the 1st place Spying is much more than the current scrub level that is happening in PC
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 45	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:21:00 - [4] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4411	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:23:00 - [5] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread You forgot the murdering the dog, stealing the entire bank account and driving off in the Bentley and getting the owner thrown in jail for the arson.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:23:00 - [6] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread Wrong The person joins and then waits to spam x with his TK squad when a PC battle is about to take place You dont need permission to join in a PC battle, anyone can launch a squad into it aslong as the squad leader is in the target corp
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:24:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread You forgot the murdering the dog, stealing the entire bank account and driving off in the Bentley and getting the owner thrown in jail for the arson. Doesnt happen because he only joined for a day then spammed x to get into a battle Cant steal anything if your not in a position to steal anything in the 1st place So your also wrong
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:24:00 - [8] - Quote I sort of agree. The word "spy" does lead you to believe they're doing their James Bond thing not just throwing a game/match/whathaveyou.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 45	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:26:00 - [9] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread Wrong The person joins and then waits to spam x with his TK squad when a PC battle is about to take place You dont need permission to join in a PC battle, anyone can launch a squad into it aslong as the squad leader is in the target corp Wrong. I don't know how it works in your corp but in my corp you have to be good and known on some level. Also we try fill the slots fast for that specific reason the team is ready before the match becomes join-able.
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 128	Posted - 2013.05.19 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote SPA IS SAPPING MA SENTRY!

Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 567	Posted - 2013.05.19 20:35:00 - [11] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnuYi-nzE90 Seems like all he did there was run in and grief.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1080	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:32:00 - [12] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread Wrong The person joins and then waits to spam x with his TK squad when a PC battle is about to take place You dont need permission to join in a PC battle, anyone can launch a squad into it aslong as the squad leader is in the target corp Wrong. I don't know how it works in your corp but in my corp you have to be good and known on some level. Also we try fill the slots fast for that specific reason the team is ready before the match becomes join-able. Once again wrong You do not need permissions to join a PC game at all, it doesnt matter if you are good or **** the game just recognizes you from your corp that is it You spam x to try to get into the battle and fastest finger 1st works best Hell i could apply to your corp, get in and get a squad together to sabotage a district its so easy
Selinate deux DUST University Ivy League 67	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:33:00 - [13] - Quote Fine. We'll start using the term SPAI instead.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1208	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:33:00 - [14] - Quote What is it offensive? Is spy like a slang for something bad now?
steadyhand amarr BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 559	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:35:00 - [15] - Quote The current stuff falls under saboteur not spy so I agree. However I'm sure a number corps have real spys and are just waiting for ccp to have transfer isk function working :-)
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 61	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:37:00 - [16] - Quote don't worry, eve players already familiar with this never call it spying, they always call it awoxing, because that's what it is.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 487	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:41:00 - [17] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that So this person joins. Earns trust to be in the corp match. Then he sabotages the match or you could say burns the house down. /thread Wrong The person joins and then waits to spam x with his TK squad when a PC battle is about to take place You dont need permission to join in a PC battle, anyone can launch a squad into it aslong as the squad leader is in the target corp Wrong. I don't know how it works in your corp but in my corp you have to be good and known on some level. Also we try fill the slots fast for that specific reason the team is ready before the match becomes join-able. If you don't know how it works, you shouldn't be telling people they're wrong.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1357	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:44:00 - [18] - Quote I think you meant "spai"
Mortedeamor Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 59	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:06:00 - [19] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: A spy infiltrates and gains the trust of various ppl before he burns down the house, also tend to sepnd sometime in the house learning various things and getting promoted into roles, at least how it works in EVE A spy does not do this 1. Apply to target corp - its not even infiltration lol 2. Wait till a PC match comes up against your employers - so hard to do to be awol 3. Launch a full squad into the game as fast as possible so you can TK - so skilled lol Its not skilled, its not even spying and its not even infiltration, its something that the average idiot can do easily and currently is doing now What is happening is PC is not spying or infiltration, its metagame if that this is a disgusting way to win a battle pathetic. and to corps who have this happen to you you security is severely lacking. and to corps that dont want this to happen lock down your ****.
Succendo Goonfeet 8	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:08:00 - [20] - Quote Pay attention to who you recruit. Not that hard.

Quirky CatchPhrase The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.05.20 11:11:00 - [21] - Quote for those interested in a career as a spy: get used to being a member of a corp, working with that corp to further their aims. You are not there to sabotage matches and get kicked from the corp, that is the job of the saboteur, as stated in a post above. Spies gather intel. That means accessing corp forums on a daily basis and handing your forum account id and password off to your controller. You'll also want to gain access to as many chat channels as possible. Rising in rank can be advantageous, however, acquiring an asset already in place is far more desirable... see below "burnable asset" Documenting players who create friction and frictious relationships within the corporation. You may even encourage corp members to act out from behind the scenes, if that is within your brief. Finding players who can be turned is another good tactic, specifically if you can get a handler to take their case, thus saving yourself from an avenue of discovery, and creating a burnable asset should the corp start a spy hunt. Mostly however, you'll sit your main or an alt into the corp, and just sit there gathering intel for your broker though. In the end a good spy network operates it spies within isolation, and never gives them a clue as to what is being done with the intel gathered. Because all spies... in the end ... can be double gasp agents ...... welcome to the shadowlands brave traveler, just remember, there is always a spy, and every spy is a double agent, and your broker will always disavow any knowledge of your actions, and you will get burnt.. even if its just to prove you weren't really the spy....... Did i get it right Mitani? :P Your heritage lives on :P
Infekti0n One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 34	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:01:00 - [22] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: SPA IS SAPPING MA SENTRY! IM GOING TO CUT UUUUUUUUUU
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1430	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:06:00 - [23] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: Wrong. I don't know how it works in your corp but in my corp you have to be good and known on some level. Also we try fill the slots fast for that specific reason the team is ready before the match becomes join-able. Oh shut up, you have like 200+ members and STB lets in anyone with a decent enough KDR
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 382	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:07:00 - [24] - Quote Really, what is there to spy on here in Dust? Am I missing something? In EVE you could report where the miners where, tell where Fleet opps were headed. You could listen in on future plans and economic strategies. None of that is in Dust. There is nothing to be gained that you couldn't learn just by looking at the attack map on the starmap. The only thing a spy can do is... be a useless waste of a character slot in hopes maybe one day you can attain CEO and biomass the corp and steal all the $$. If you want some spy stuff then check this thread Real SPYs
Quirky CatchPhrase The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:23:00 - [25] - Quote because scrambler rifles never happened....
EKH0 0ne SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 39	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:28:00 - [26] - Quote saboteur sound better?
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Unclaimed. 253	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:41:00 - [27] - Quote in the movie "Millers Crossing" it was done with style... class. it was dope. here it's just about short bus riders who are so scared of losing that they will do anything they have to not actually have to fight. that way they can't be blamed when they lose. which... y'know... is inevitable. Peace B
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 907	Posted - 2013.05.20 19:43:00 - [28] - Quote Tactical Espionage Action We call it tea.


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