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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:49:00 -
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Many of us feel as though these new weapons are underwhelming. I personally feel as though the Plasma Cannon lacks any distinctive role on the battlefield that isn't easily usurped by other weapons.
Perhaps the CPM could give us their thoughts on how they are operating? |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1026
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:51:00 -
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I personally feel as if balance throughout the last year (Give or take a month or two) has been nothing more than band-aid 'fixes' that never really solved the underlying issues.
In uprising, that small cut that only needed a bandaid.... it turned into a festering, open gash.
The disruption of the skill tree coupled with the near complete revamp of the suits with almost no logical variation between them was boggling at best. Several weapons were adjusted, but again, these were more band-aid fixes than actual solutions to our balance woes.
The new suits increased the general survivability of players, and new suits with strange slot layouts or certain bonuses made some vastly superior to other suits of similar type and tier...
But I digress :
Under the old base line of 'power' I would've considered nearly all of the weapons OP, yet mostly redundant in their roles.
The flaylock is basically a mini mass driver that overshadows it in every aspect except splash range.
The plasma cannon is an unholy offpsring of a forge gun and a mass driver, less effective than either in most cases.
The scrambler rifle is probably the only 'decent' weapon of the three that I wouldn't consider OP. Aside from some minor range differences, it's basically a clone of the assault rifle with similar damage, with an overheat. Which is fine, because it stands to reason that every race would have some sort of 'AR' as their go-to weapon for infantry. I haven't touched it on the live build, but my experience with the scrambler is that it needs to overheat -slightly- slower, and that's all I would change on it for the most part. |
Wolfica
Planetary Response Organization
19
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:26:00 -
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agreed +1
the only new weapon I have been liking is the scrambler rifle. the only problem with it is that it over heats way to fast. |
Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
93
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:00:00 -
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imho, Fozzie, Rise and Ytterbium should totally take over the weapons balancing in dust (or at least teach wolfman and remnant how to do it)
these guys know how to balance stuff and how to interact with the community in that regard. For dust, the whole weapon balancing has been a complete and utter failure in every single regard
the whole "core gameplay" talking is rubbish if the core gameplay is overshadowed by badly balanced stuff
For the Plasma Rifle: AoE DoT, basically a puddle of plasma, low initial damage, but high damage over time for whoever stands in it |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4732
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:02:00 -
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Gilbatron wrote:imho, Fozzie, Rise and Ytterbium should totally take over the weapons balancing in dust (or at least teach wolfman and remnant how to do it)
these guys know how to balance stuff and how to interact with the community in that regard. For dust, the whole weapon balancing has been a complete and utter failure.
Don't worry another guy is taking over and you wont be too upset with him when he starts pushing blogs out. |
Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
93
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:08:00 -
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Quote:Don't worry another guy is taking over and you wont be too upset with him when he starts pushing blogs out.
well, that's some good news
edit: read my other edit in my first post  |
La Fortune
Terranauts
109
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:23:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Gilbatron wrote:imho, Fozzie, Rise and Ytterbium should totally take over the weapons balancing in dust (or at least teach wolfman and remnant how to do it)
these guys know how to balance stuff and how to interact with the community in that regard. For dust, the whole weapon balancing has been a complete and utter failure. Don't worry another guy is taking over and you wont be too upset with him when he starts pushing blogs out.
I hope so, CCP doesn't exactly have the luxury of time with balancing weapons and dropsuits in DUST like they've had with ships and weapons in EVE, although with the last couple of expansions, they seem to be learning.
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Aeon Amadi
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:07:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I personally feel as if balance throughout the last year (Give or take a month or two) has been nothing more than band-aid 'fixes' that never really solved the underlying issues.
In uprising, that small cut that only needed a bandaid.... it turned into a festering, open gash.
The disruption of the skill tree coupled with the near complete revamp of the suits with almost no logical variation between them was boggling at best. Several weapons were adjusted, but again, these were more band-aid fixes than actual solutions to our balance woes.
The new suits increased the general survivability of players, and new suits with strange slot layouts or certain bonuses made some vastly superior to other suits of similar type and tier...
But I digress :
Under the old base line of 'power' I would've considered nearly all of the weapons OP, yet mostly redundant in their roles.
The flaylock is basically a mini mass driver that overshadows it in every aspect except splash range.
The plasma cannon is an unholy offpsring of a forge gun and a mass driver, less effective than either in most cases.
The scrambler rifle is probably the only 'decent' weapon of the three that I wouldn't consider OP. Aside from some minor range differences, it's basically a clone of the assault rifle with similar damage, with an overheat. Which is fine, because it stands to reason that every race would have some sort of 'AR' as their go-to weapon for infantry. I haven't touched it on the live build, but my experience with the scrambler is that it needs to overheat -slightly- slower, and that's all I would change on it for the most part.
Is this something the CPM plans to touch up on in the future? Perhaps by persuading CCP in the right direction to properly add variation, balance and practicality?
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David Spd
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.05.18 10:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I personally feel as if balance throughout the last year (Give or take a month or two) has been nothing more than band-aid 'fixes' that never really solved the underlying issues.
In uprising, that small cut that only needed a bandaid.... it turned into a festering, open gash.
The disruption of the skill tree coupled with the near complete revamp of the suits with almost no logical variation between them was boggling at best. Several weapons were adjusted, but again, these were more band-aid fixes than actual solutions to our balance woes.
The new suits increased the general survivability of players, and new suits with strange slot layouts or certain bonuses made some vastly superior to other suits of similar type and tier...
But I digress :
Under the old base line of 'power' I would've considered nearly all of the weapons OP, yet mostly redundant in their roles.
The flaylock is basically a mini mass driver that overshadows it in every aspect except splash range.
The plasma cannon is an unholy offpsring of a forge gun and a mass driver, less effective than either in most cases.
The scrambler rifle is probably the only 'decent' weapon of the three that I wouldn't consider OP. Aside from some minor range differences, it's basically a clone of the assault rifle with similar damage, with an overheat. Which is fine, because it stands to reason that every race would have some sort of 'AR' as their go-to weapon for infantry. I haven't touched it on the live build, but my experience with the scrambler is that it needs to overheat -slightly- slower, and that's all I would change on it for the most part. Is this something the CPM plans to touch up on in the future? Perhaps by persuading CCP in the right direction to properly add variation, balance and practicality?
That's the CPM's job. Trying to bring the consensus of the playerbase (or rather, the forumbase) to CCP's attention. Whether or not CCP chooses to listen and/or act upon what we want is a different stoy entirely. CPM gets all the workload of sorting the garbage and get saddled with the consequences that should be CCP's when they choose not to do what we want (or do it wrong). |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1026
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Don't worry another guy is taking over and you wont be too upset with him when he starts pushing blogs out.
Correction : There's a new lead game designer who intends to put balance high on the planning list.
They still don't have their fozzie yet. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4732
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:29:00 -
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David Spd wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Nova Knife wrote:I personally feel as if balance throughout the last year (Give or take a month or two) has been nothing more than band-aid 'fixes' that never really solved the underlying issues.
In uprising, that small cut that only needed a bandaid.... it turned into a festering, open gash.
The disruption of the skill tree coupled with the near complete revamp of the suits with almost no logical variation between them was boggling at best. Several weapons were adjusted, but again, these were more band-aid fixes than actual solutions to our balance woes.
The new suits increased the general survivability of players, and new suits with strange slot layouts or certain bonuses made some vastly superior to other suits of similar type and tier...
But I digress :
Under the old base line of 'power' I would've considered nearly all of the weapons OP, yet mostly redundant in their roles.
The flaylock is basically a mini mass driver that overshadows it in every aspect except splash range.
The plasma cannon is an unholy offpsring of a forge gun and a mass driver, less effective than either in most cases.
The scrambler rifle is probably the only 'decent' weapon of the three that I wouldn't consider OP. Aside from some minor range differences, it's basically a clone of the assault rifle with similar damage, with an overheat. Which is fine, because it stands to reason that every race would have some sort of 'AR' as their go-to weapon for infantry. I haven't touched it on the live build, but my experience with the scrambler is that it needs to overheat -slightly- slower, and that's all I would change on it for the most part. Is this something the CPM plans to touch up on in the future? Perhaps by persuading CCP in the right direction to properly add variation, balance and practicality? That's the CPM's job. Trying to bring the consensus of the playerbase (or rather, the forumbase) to CCP's attention. Whether or not CCP chooses to listen and/or act upon what we want is a different stoy entirely. CPM gets all the workload of sorting the garbage and get saddled with the consequences that should be CCP's when they choose not to do what we want (or do it wrong).
Its player base we're expected to be in many places like tweetfleet and the sorts. |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
420
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Posted - 2013.05.20 06:30:00 -
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Gilbatron wrote:imho, Fozzie should totally take over the weapons balancing in dust
Oh dear God no... Not Fozzie... he gives no fucks about racial variation and lore. |
BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
276
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:19:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Don't worry another guy is taking over and you wont be too upset with him when he starts pushing blogs out.
Correction : There's a new lead game designer who intends to put balance high on the planning list. They still don't have their fozzie yet.
If they bring in Scott whatsisname from MAG, just do us all a favor and unplug the servers. |
BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
276
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:20:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Gilbatron wrote:imho, Fozzie should totally take over the weapons balancing in dust Oh dear God no... Not Fozzie... he gives no fucks about racial variation and lore.
And neither do most FPS players. They care about their KDR or about game balance.
If I have to choose between lore and balance I know which will keep the game going longer.
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Cinder Integ
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
23
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:34:00 -
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The Plasma Cannon has it's place. A few of us have found it. It requires neither a buff nor a nerf.
3 bugs / annoying features:
1. A delay in being able to switch weapons upwards of 1.0 second after fire.
2. Occasional fire of the round without requiring a charge, and this is random about 1% of the time.
3. The arc of the projectile that is used is unlike any other weapon. After each round you need to reload and the reload animation fills the area of the screen where any target would be that is more than 50 yards out. There is no hit marker on this weapon, so you will find it incredibly difficult to fine tune a shot when shooting long range. |
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