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WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:57:00 -
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It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. AR still rule unfortunately. |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
540
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:00:00 -
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Yea but the charge variant headshot... mmmmm one shot one kill...
The assault is great at close quarters even vs armor.
Also skill up the flaylock ... deadly combo... |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1335
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:01:00 -
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Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume. |
MinivanSurvivor
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:02:00 -
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So... what you are saying is... the SR that does the same amount of damage on armor as a AR... doesn't do enough damage as an AR....that does the same damage to armor?
WUT |
Sontie
Ill Omens
EoN.
302
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:04:00 -
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Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies. |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
130
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:05:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies. "Everyone else" being Caldari. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
224
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:05:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume.
You seem to know your lasers. 2 melee kills today one with a active scanner in my hand. LR and hand to hand is the way to go if you are a logi. I get at least 2 melee a day with my LR logi and I love it. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:05:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume.
I was full LR assault in last build. Thing is the LR has increasing damage by continuous fire, so I could get kills. This thing is just too weak. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
224
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:06:00 -
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Etero Narciss wrote:Sontie wrote:Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies. "Everyone else" being Caldari.
Not entirely a bad thing. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
54
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:07:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume. I was full LR assault in last build. Thing is the LR has increasing damage by continuous fire, so I could get kills. This thing is just too weak.
I used the Assault variant on my alt and I was doing just fine. |
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nor asha
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:07:00 -
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I think the issue is how lasers work compared to blasters in general not the stats of the weapons.
Lasers do 50% to armor, 150% to shields. But ARs do 110% to armor, 90% to shields
Shouldn't it be more like 50-70% to shields and 140% to armor?
And there should be skills to boost the damage on weapons on the weakness. Blasters need to be stopped by shields in the same way lasers are stopped by armor. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
224
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:07:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume. I was full LR assault in last build. Thing is the LR has increasing damage by continuous fire, so I could get kills. This thing is just too weak.
It does seem weak but I also didn't skill into a suit that gives me a bonus so I can't use it to its fullest. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:08:00 -
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MinivanSurvivor wrote:So... what you are saying is... the SR that does the same amount of damage on armor as a AR... doesn't do enough damage as an AR....that does the same damage to armor?
WUT
No, SR is weaker than AR on armor. |
nor asha
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:08:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies.
Isn't that the point ? |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:09:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Etero Narciss wrote:Sontie wrote:Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies. "Everyone else" being Caldari. Not entirely a bad thing.
time to armor tank guys |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:11:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume. I was full LR assault in last build. Thing is the LR has increasing damage by continuous fire, so I could get kills. This thing is just too weak. I used the Assault variant on my alt and I was doing just fine.
Maybe I just suck today.
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nor asha
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:11:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Etero Narciss wrote:Sontie wrote:Yea, gallente are tough(er) to kill with it, but everyone else dies. "Everyone else" being Caldari. Not entirely a bad thing. time to armor tank guys
This is why the AR should do 150% damage to armor and 50% damage to shields
Also gives a reason to use ammar suits since they have equal armor and shields. |
nor asha
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:12:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:dent 308 wrote:Didn't spend much time with the laser I assume. I was full LR assault in last build. Thing is the LR has increasing damage by continuous fire, so I could get kills. This thing is just too weak. I used the Assault variant on my alt and I was doing just fine. Maybe I just suck today.
The range is terrible, get closer. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:16:00 -
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^I'm doing that.
IMO the gun needs a bit more damage so that it doesn't suck so much vs armor.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
Orion Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:18:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately.
It is designed to be effective against shields... |
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Solarisjock
One-Armed Bandits
Heretic Initiative
27
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:18:00 -
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from what I recall, this is what the supposed damage break down was going to be by race for Assault rifles
Gallente Plasma AR: 110% shields, 90% armor
Caldari Gauss AR: 90% shields, 110% armor
Amarr Laser/scrambler AR's: ~130% shields, ~70% armor
Minmitar Projectile AR's: ~70% shields 130% armor
this just what i remeber from this being discussed way back in closed beta a bit, no idea if it is still accurate, or has changed |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:19:00 -
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^Gauss Rifle should be 100/100 armor/shield. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:21:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. It is designed to be effective against shields...
And to suck! vs armor, which means people running to cover, which means no kills for me hahaha.
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Ayures II
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:28:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. It is designed to be effective against shields... And to suck! vs armor, which means people running to cover, which means no kills for me hahaha.
It's almost like you have to use teamwork and have someone else with you shooting at enemies with a non-laser-based weapon. |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:42:00 -
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I highly recommend having an SMG or Flaylock when using this weapon guys. Very bad weapon for a logisuit (which I specced into lmao). |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1139
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:48:00 -
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Solarisjock wrote:from what I recall, this is what the supposed damage break down was going to be by race for Assault rifles
Gallente Plasma AR: 110% shields, 90% armor
Caldari Gauss AR: 90% shields, 110% armor
Amarr Laser/scrambler AR's: ~130% shields, ~70% armor
Minmitar Projectile AR's: ~70% shields 130% armor
this just what i remeber from this being discussed way back in closed beta a bit, no idea if it is still accurate, or has changed
Should be ingame, should be obivous |
M3DIC 2U
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
63
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:36:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:^I'm doing that.
IMO the gun needs a bit more damage so that it doesn't suck so much vs armor.
I dunno, maybe add a sidearm that is designed to be strong against armor and switch to it for the kill once shields are gone.
Or if a logi, run next to someone who does just that... like a heavy? |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:48:00 -
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M3DIC 2U wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:^I'm doing that.
IMO the gun needs a bit more damage so that it doesn't suck so much vs armor.
I dunno, maybe add a sidearm that is designed to be strong against armor and switch to it for the kill once shields are gone. Or if a logi, run next to someone who does just that... like a heavy?
Did that with SMG and it works. I'll have to respec again because I have wasted points on logibro and the weapon really needs the sidearm. Imperial SR is another story, very cool weapon and the difference in damage to armor is barely noticeable due to the high damage. Still TAC AR wins in range and no overheat.
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
90
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:49:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately.
Scramblers are not supposed to do a lot of damage to armour, just like ARs do crappy damage to shields. |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
542
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:51:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. Scramblers are not supposed to do a lot of damage to armour, just like ARs do crappy damage to shields.
Ars are supposdd to do equal damage to armor and shields... no bonus to either but pretty sure it has bonuses.
And yea I looooove the charge variant of the asr it hits hard with no charge... then you charge it... |
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
314
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:52:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. Scramblers are not supposed to do a lot of damage to armour, just like ARs do crappy damage to shields.
You know that ARs do more damage to shields right? 110% shields, 90% armour |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:54:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. Scramblers are not supposed to do a lot of damage to armour, just like ARs do crappy damage to shields. You know that ARs do more damage to shields right? 110% shields, 90% armour
Yup.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
210
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:08:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately.
^ Shooting at Gallente dropsuits ^
Well there's you problem.  |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
259
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:15:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:It does way too low damage on armor. It's just a pain to use it. Lots of kill assists. Low range. AR still rule unfortunately. ^ Shooting at Gallente dropsuits ^ Well there's you problem.
Hahaha well that, but what really annoys me is shooting Minmatar/Caldari full shirlds down and emptying whole clip just to get killed instead, kill assist or the bastard runs to cover around the corner with around 30 armor left just because 80% damage to armor. 
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