DUST Search - The Caldari Logistics CK.0 Debate

Cosgar wrote:

M-E-T-A-G-A-M-E

There isn't enough content implemented into the game yet to have a balanced meta game. Everything is intended to be the effective counter with specified advantages over the other like a big game of rock paper scissors. But there are some serious people with epeen issues that don't understand things like balance and want to be the absolute best at everything and cry nerf, even when it's against something that's supposed to be it's effective counter. (refer to Assault vs Heavy vs Scout vs Logistics) But, even at the game's infancy, CCP has willingly swung the nerf mjolnir and shattering balanced game mechanic after game mechanic because from our POV, they're catering to the lowest common denominator of our playerbase. (see HMG nerf and HAV ninja nerf)

Once the scrambler rifle and flaylock get added to the fray tomorrow, all those CaLogi slayerbros are going to wish they didn't go for a tankier shield suit. They'll cry OP and nerf, but the truth of the matter is, it will be working as intended. This is going to be a delicate time in Dust 514 where the developers are going to have to let things play out and put an end to this nerf witch hunt once and for all. Outside of something that is game breaking on the level of the Viziam and light weapon sharpshooter, the nerf bat won't ever need to be swung and everything will be in our hands in how we fit our suits and vehicles to counter and exploit each others' weaknesses. This is a common thing for the MMORPG scene and the strictly FPS players are going to have to adapt or die... alot. After 5/14 there will be no more OP, or nerf. Dust 514 will be the sandbox it was intended to be and we'll be the ones kicking knocking eachothers' sand castles without adult supervision. When someone cries OP or nerf on these forms, the devs (and hopefully the smarter of us in the cummunity) will respond back with that old EVE Online saying:

H-T-F-U!

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lowratehitman Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 558	Posted - 2013.05.13 15:53:00 - [1] - Quote Seems like all the hype is pointed at the Logi these days. Not sure if it is the Logi assault running around playing Rambo, or the people that actually want to play the support role as it was ment to be played. I go over my Caldari Logistics CK.0 build, and a viewing of what I am skilled into. At first I wanted to stray from using logi, due to knowing that the community would not be able to handle these suits on the battlefield, and against my better judgement, I took the shunned path. Dust 514: Caldari Logistics CK.0 Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBw1Vda5c8&feature=youtu.be
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 912	Posted - 2013.05.13 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote Quit nerfing, start buffing. Bring other suits up to par with this one.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 91	Posted - 2013.05.13 15:58:00 - [3] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: Quit nerfing, start buffing. Bring other suits up to par with this one. Work time wise, one is faster than the other. That is why you got more nerf than Buff, unless the item is really UP...see the HMG a couple of days ago. They had to buff it a bit, because it was ridiculously apparent.
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 184	Posted - 2013.05.13 16:16:00 - [4] - Quote I have honestly had no issues killing any of the logi classes. I play as a basic caldari merc, and I've manages to kill quite a few of them. Sure they have a lot of HP. But that buffer gets to their heads, and they do not retreat when they need to. I don't get how so many of you have issues killing them. It'll be even easier one we have the laser rifle.
SmileB4Death Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 77	Posted - 2013.05.13 16:27:00 - [5] - Quote Scramble Scrub wrote: I have honestly had no issues killing any of the logi classes. I play as a basic caldari merc, and I've manages to kill quite a few of them. Sure they have a lot of HP. But that buffer gets to their heads, and they do not retreat when they need to. I don't get how so many of you have issues killing them. It'll be even easier one we have the laser rifle. You mean scramber rifle? I'm looking forward to all the QQ'Ing off the logisaults when it rapes them hands down. I'm Cal logi & I know I'm gonna get knocked the **** out by them every time.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 84	Posted - 2013.05.13 16:54:00 - [6] - Quote SmileB4Death wrote: Scramble Scrub wrote: I have honestly had no issues killing any of the logi classes. I play as a basic caldari merc, and I've manages to kill quite a few of them. Sure they have a lot of HP. But that buffer gets to their heads, and they do not retreat when they need to. I don't get how so many of you have issues killing them. It'll be even easier one we have the laser rifle. You mean scramber rifle? I'm looking forward to all the QQ'Ing off the logisaults when it rapes them hands down. I'm Cal logi & I know I'm gonna get knocked the **** out by them every time. Bu..bu..but what if you yourself begin using it?
Frowning Panda The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:08:00 - [7] - Quote I argue with your video.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 839	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:10:00 - [8] - Quote M-E-T-A-G-A-M-E There isn't enough content implemented into the game yet to have a balanced meta game. Everything is intended to be the effective counter with specified advantages over the other like a big game of rock paper scissors. But there are some serious people with epeen issues that don't understand things like balance and want to be the absolute best at everything and cry nerf, even when it's against something that's supposed to be it's effective counter. (refer to Assault vs Heavy vs Scout vs Logistics) But, even at the game's infancy, CCP has willingly swung the nerf mjolnir and shattering balanced game mechanic after game mechanic because from our POV, they're catering to the lowest common denominator of our playerbase. (see HMG nerf and HAV ninja nerf) Once the scrambler rifle and flaylock get added to the fray tomorrow, all those CaLogi slayerbros are going to wish they didn't go for a tankier shield suit. They'll cry OP and nerf, but the truth of the matter is, it will be working as intended. This is going to be a delicate time in Dust 514 where the developers are going to have to let things play out and put an end to this nerf witch hunt once and for all. Outside of something that is game breaking on the level of the Viziam and light weapon sharpshooter, the nerf bat won't ever need to be swung and everything will be in our hands in how we fit our suits and vehicles to counter and exploit each others' weaknesses. This is a common thing for the MMORPG scene and the strictly FPS players are going to have to adapt or die... alot. After 5/14 there will be no more OP, or nerf. Dust 514 will be the sandbox it was intended to be and we'll be the ones kicking knocking eachothers' sand castles without adult supervision. When someone cries OP or nerf on these forms, the devs (and hopefully the smarter of us in the cummunity) will respond back with that old EVE Online saying: H-T-F-U!
SmileB4Death Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 78	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:42:00 - [9] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: SmileB4Death wrote: Scramble Scrub wrote: I have honestly had no issues killing any of the logi classes. I play as a basic caldari merc, and I've manages to kill quite a few of them. Sure they have a lot of HP. But that buffer gets to their heads, and they do not retreat when they need to. I don't get how so many of you have issues killing them. It'll be even easier one we have the laser rifle. You mean scramber rifle? I'm looking forward to all the QQ'Ing off the logisaults when it rapes them hands down. I'm Cal logi & I know I'm gonna get knocked the **** out by them every time. Bu..bu..but what if you yourself begin using it? Then Caldari vs Caldari with just be down to skill SR up against Galente? Guy with SR might aswell say night night
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4091	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:44:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: M-E-T-A-G-A-M-E There isn't enough content implemented into the game yet to have a balanced meta game. Everything is intended to be the effective counter with specified advantages over the other like a big game of rock paper scissors. But there are some serious people with epeen issues that don't understand things like balance and want to be the absolute best at everything and cry nerf, even when it's against something that's supposed to be it's effective counter. (refer to Assault vs Heavy vs Scout vs Logistics) But, even at the game's infancy, CCP has willingly swung the nerf mjolnir and shattering balanced game mechanic after game mechanic because from our POV, they're catering to the lowest common denominator of our playerbase. (see HMG nerf and HAV ninja nerf) Once the scrambler rifle and flaylock get added to the fray tomorrow, all those CaLogi slayerbros are going to wish they didn't go for a tankier shield suit. They'll cry OP and nerf, but the truth of the matter is, it will be working as intended. This is going to be a delicate time in Dust 514 where the developers are going to have to let things play out and put an end to this nerf witch hunt once and for all. Outside of something that is game breaking on the level of the Viziam and light weapon sharpshooter, the nerf bat won't ever need to be swung and everything will be in our hands in how we fit our suits and vehicles to counter and exploit each others' weaknesses. This is a common thing for the MMORPG scene and the strictly FPS players are going to have to adapt or die... alot. After 5/14 there will be no more OP, or nerf. Dust 514 will be the sandbox it was intended to be and we'll be the ones kicking knocking eachothers' sand castles without adult supervision. When someone cries OP or nerf on these forms, the devs (and hopefully the smarter of us in the cummunity) will respond back with that old EVE Online saying: H-T-F-U! Please stop mis-using the word. The numbers, the fittings, the tactics are all part of the game because they all factor into the game play of shooting the other guy. Destroying a corp without a bullet is meta-gaming because it can involve 0% of Dust 514's programming.

Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 956	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:45:00 - [11] - Quote Scramble Scrub wrote: I have honestly had no issues killing any of the logi classes. I play as a basic caldari merc, and I've manages to kill quite a few of them. Sure they have a lot of HP. But that buffer gets to their heads, and they do not retreat when they need to. I don't get how so many of you have issues killing them. It'll be even easier one we have the laser rifle. Yeah the best tanked Cal Logi (note the other Logi don't keep up with the Cal for Tank) fit I've seen can endure one more TAR round assuming the TAR user runs zero damage mods and that suit more expensive and still has lower overall mobility and scan than it's Assault counterpart (plus they both fold like wet paper after a Flux ). Cheers, Cross


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