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Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 07:53:00 -
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- Please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong section -
Hello my name is Ld Collins I would like to discuss the possiblity of having a LAV squadron.
It has come to my attention that a lot of players are pretty much ignoring light attack vehicles because they are fragile and expensive. I on the other hand have become very fond of lavs and I would like to put together a group of drivers who can squad up and support each other in battles. A properly fitted lav could be quite useful on the battlefield and I believe that 2-3 lavs with skilled drivers could provide a richer experience for players investing in lavs.
Lavs can come in a few variations *currently based on armor lavs*
Light Attack Vehicle - Fitted with a blaster turret Light Armor Vehcile - Fitted with a blaster / missle turret Light Artillery Vehicle - Fitted with a missle / railgun turret
Scout Lavs Extraction / Deployment Support / Squad Command Vehicle --------------------------------------------------
Light Attack Vehicles
This would be a lav thats designed to go into a hot zone attack and make a hasty retreat to rep and circle back into the hot zone rinse and repeat until death. With this build you could focus on maintaining your shield you don't need to have a lot of shield but you just need to be able to build your shield back up fast. With that said the following modules are what you should work up to Shield Boosters, Shield Resistance, Damage Control, Armor Hardener, Armor Plates, Armor Resistance. You can fit a light SB, 15% SR, 9% Armor 9% Shield Def, 25% Armor Hardener and 15% Armor resistance.
A 3 clone crew would be effective but a full squad with 2 Lavs could be far more devastating.
A TCC could consist of the following
Driver - Logi with shield and armor reps equiped with dropup links and a repair tool Passenger - Logi or Heavy the Logi would have to have a simular setup to the Driver but instead of armor reps you would use armor plates and maybe one repper. The Heavy would have an armor rep and a HMG. Gunner - The same as above.
With this crew you could do the following run into the hotzone and have your heavy jump out and mow people down then have your passenger take over the turret this will allow you to provide cover fire for the heavy. You could probably drop him off then circle around to pick him back up. With this setup it would be wise to use a fairly cheap Heavy Dropsuit your friend could possibly die and we wouldnt want you to have this become very expensive.
Light Amored Vehicle
This would be the vehicle that you would fit with shield extenders and armor plates. Having the extra shield would allow you to tank AV granades and explosives. This lav could be used for capturing objectives I would suggest using a simiar crew as I mentioned above but you could have a more aggressive crew maybe 2 heavies , 2 assaults, or 2 logibros. Though you forgo the shield booster this would allow to go deeper into hostile territory or closer to the enemy. I would fit a armor rep, armor plate, armor hardener shield extender damage contol and a blaster turret with high damage they tend to have lower CPU and PG requirements.
Light Artillery Vehicle
This would be a lav that has no place near the infantry this is long range installion destroying or area denial operations only. The artillery lav would be a glass cannon long range high damage turrets with damage mods in the case of missle turrets and heat sink mods for railguns. No armor plates no shield extenders maybe a damage control unit. It would be best to perch yourself on a mountain or ledge as if you were a sniper but make sure the driver cannot be shot.
What you would do is place a drop uplink close to the area where you've chosen to snipe from in the event that you or a crew member dies they can spawn back in and save your lav and continue the operation. I would bring a crew that could carry the following weapons laser rifle sniper rifle swam launcher prefferable a heavy and as for your gunner they could be simular to the previous lav setups. Your sniper or laser operative can use your vehicle as a shield while melting the shields off of infantry or installations while your heavy can man the turret. With the driver controlling the modules and warning the gunner when to shield himself into the passenger seat you can effectively deny an area from the opposing team.
Scout lavs
The Gallente scout lavs I haven't really had the chance to skill into but as far as I can tell they could be used as emergeny extraction vehicles or shield/armor reppers for lavs this only allows for two passengers. Your scout lav should be able to shield rep for your Light Armored Vehicle since it will lack a shield booster or rep armor for Light Artillery Vehicle I wouldnt recommend supporting a Light Attack Vehicle. As squad leader and not being able to call orbitals while within a vehicle the scout lav offers you and opportunity to quickly escape to a safer area while having yourself covered by your gunner.
I dont claim to be an expert on lavs I dont know how much things have changed with uprising but im willing to discuss fittings test fittings or strategies with other like minded people.
I started a chat called Matador Squadron there is no password anyone is free to join i would like to try to get a full squad that way I could run 2 lavs or possibly 3 just to see what a coordinated crew could do.
Please Join the Matador Squadron it doesnt matter what corp your in lets just experiment and have some fun. |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:17:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:25:00 -
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Just like Condor? I'm down. I currently have Methana but no vehicle skills really, and I'm working simultaneously to regain my Condor Wings |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:31:00 -
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Small rail guns are useless, too inaccurate to actually be used for their intended purpose. |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:57:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:Small rail guns are useless, too inaccurate to actually be used for their intended purpose. I've noticed that small rails are more accurate if you use turrent speed modules. |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:59:00 -
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I've got Sagas, Chary's, and Callisto with ADV small turrets, scanners, and shield transporters. I can drive without flipping and gun like no man's business. Is this chat already made? A lot of tankers have skilled heavily into LAVs. I know all of tthem. Send an invite to my main, Charlotte O'Dell. |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 05:03:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:I've got Sagas, Chary's, and Callisto with ADV small turrets, scanners, and shield transporters. I can drive without flipping and gun like no man's business. Is this chat already made? A lot of tankers have skilled heavily into LAVs. I know all of tthem. Send an invite to my main, Charlotte O'Dell. Yes this chat has already been setup ive had it for about a week or so currently Ive only had one person join and he is awesome he uses a Chary and he managed to get together a squad of AV players and just spent his time tank hunting. Its a pretty interesting combination I plan on skilling into Av weapons myself the Plamsa Cannon to be specific. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.21 05:04:00 -
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I've noticed you in Condor Squad: any relation? |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.21 05:07:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I've noticed you in Condor Squad: any relation? Yeah before uprising I skilled into both Lav and Dropships since the skill tree allowed it. Lavs suck but they require a squad to operate them effectively just as you would a tank. If any tankers are watching this thread or happen to look upon it I wouldnt give up on tanks just yet because Lavs offer great support in areas where tanks lack. |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:06:00 -
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I still tank and I can use STD dropships. Im pretty much an all around vehicle guy.
The plasma cannon sux. get yourself a forge or serious swarm launchers if you want to play tank killer.
So now we have Honey Badger for tanks, Condor for dropships, and Matador for LAVs.
I really like the idea of having this squad. My alterations would be as such, though:
LAV 1:
gallente logi lav w/ blaster; designed to scan, rep vehicles, and of course, dropsuits.
Driver is the driver. He never leaves the LAV.
Gunner is a forge gunner with lots of HP w/ hacked exos
Passenger is a heavy with HMG w/ hacked exos
LAV 2:
caldari logi lav w/ missiles designed to scan, rep vehicles, and of course, dropsuits.
Driver is the driver...
Gunner is an duvolle TAR w/ hacked exos
Passenger is a duvolle TAR w/ hacked exos
This personell loadout would give maximum anti-tank capabilities without sacrificing anti-infantry power. |
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X-eon
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:00:00 -
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Regarding shield Tanks. Chary with two shield transporters following 30-40 meters behind really adds a bit of a boost to shield tanking and enough maneuverability to take out any threatening Av and forge gunners far off. ALSO So far the two people in Matador Squadron are on at EST. Don't be discouraged if you don't see anyone on when you aren't. The Chat is NEUTRAL when it comes to PC and alliance wars as we are dedicated to testing, running, and goofing off with LAV's |
Vethosis
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:07:00 -
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Ld Collins wrote:- Please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong section -
Hello my name is Ld Collins I would like to discuss the possiblity of having a LAV squadron.
It has come to my attention that a lot of players are pretty much ignoring light attack vehicles because they are fragile and expensive. I on the other hand have become very fond of lavs and I would like to put together a group of drivers who can squad up and support each other in battles. A properly fitted lav could be quite useful on the battlefield and I believe that 2-3 lavs with skilled drivers could provide a richer experience for players investing in lavs.
Lavs can come in a few variations *currently based on armor lavs*
Light Attack Vehicle - Fitted with a blaster turret Light Armor Vehcile - Fitted with a blaster / missle turret Light Artillery Vehicle - Fitted with a missle / railgun turret
Scout Lavs Extraction / Deployment Support / Squad Command Vehicle --------------------------------------------------
Light Attack Vehicles
This would be a lav thats designed to go into a hot zone attack and make a hasty retreat to rep and circle back into the hot zone rinse and repeat until death. With this build you could focus on maintaining your shield you don't need to have a lot of shield but you just need to be able to build your shield back up fast. With that said the following modules are what you should work up to Shield Boosters, Shield Resistance, Damage Control, Armor Hardener, Armor Plates, Armor Resistance. You can fit a light SB, 15% SR, 9% Armor 9% Shield Def, 25% Armor Hardener and 15% Armor resistance.
A 3 clone crew would be effective but a full squad with 2 Lavs could be far more devastating.
A TCC could consist of the following
Driver - Logi with shield and armor reps equiped with dropup links and a repair tool Passenger - Logi or Heavy the Logi would have to have a simular setup to the Driver but instead of armor reps you would use armor plates and maybe one repper. The Heavy would have an armor rep and a HMG. Gunner - The same as above.
With this crew you could do the following run into the hotzone and have your heavy jump out and mow people down then have your passenger take over the turret this will allow you to provide cover fire for the heavy. You could probably drop him off then circle around to pick him back up. With this setup it would be wise to use a fairly cheap Heavy Dropsuit your friend could possibly die and we wouldnGÇÖt want you to have this become very expensive.
Light Armored Vehicle
This would be the vehicle that you would fit with shield extenders and armor plates. Having the extra shield would allow you to tank AV grenades and explosives. This lav could be used for capturing objectives I would suggest using a similar crew as I mentioned above but you could have a more aggressive crew maybe 2 heavies, 2 assaults, or 2 logibros. Though you forgo the shield booster this would allow to go deeper into hostile territory or closer to the enemy. I would fit a armor rep, armor plate, armor hardener shield extender damage control and a blaster turret with high damage they tend to have lower CPU and PG requirements.
Light Artillery Vehicle
This would be a lav that has no place near the infantry this is long range installation destroying or area denial operations only. The artillery lav would be a glass cannon long range high damage turrets with damage mods in the case of missile turrets and heat sink mods for railguns. No armor plates no shield extenders maybe a damage control unit. It would be best to perch yourself on a mountain or ledge as if you were a sniper but make sure the driver cannot be shot.
What you would do is place a drop uplink close to the area where you've chosen to snipe from in the event that you or a crew member dies they can spawn back in and save your lav and continue the operation. I would bring a crew that could carry the following weapons laser rifle sniper rifle swam launcher preferably a heavy and as for your gunner they could be similar to the previous lav setups. Your sniper or laser operative can use your vehicle as a shield while melting the shields off of infantry or installations while your heavy can man the turret. With the driver controlling the modules and warning the gunner when to shield himself into the passenger seat you can effectively deny an area from the opposing team.
Scout lavs
The Gallente scout lavs I haven't really had the chance to skill into but as far as I can tell they could be used as emergency extraction vehicles or shield/armor reps for lavs this only allows for two passengers. Your scout lav should be able to shield rep for your Light Armored Vehicle since it will lacking a shield booster or rep armor for Light Artillery Vehicle I wouldnGÇÖt recommend supporting a Light Attack Vehicle. As squad leader and not being able to call orbitals while within a vehicle the scout lav offers you and opportunity to quickly escape to a safer area while having yourself covered by your gunner.
I donGÇÖt claim to be an expert on lavs I donGÇÖt know how much things have changed with uprising but im willing to discuss fittings test fittings or strategies with other like minded people.
I started a chat called Matador Squadron there is no password anyone is free to join i would like to try to get a full squad that way I could run 2 lavs or possibly 3 just to see what a coordinated crew could do.
Please Join the Matador Squadron it doesnGÇÖt matter what corp your in lets just experiment and have some fun.
I'm going to be speccing into lavs tomorrow and plan on putting atleast 7 mil sp into them. is the Matador Squadron a chat channel?
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X-eon
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:10:00 -
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Yes it is, and you're welcome to join us.
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Vethosis
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.22 02:13:00 -
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I think the respec will be tomorrow, so I will join the channel then and we can maybe talk about what we all should skill into, vehicle wise :) |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:58:00 -
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I joined. Is it "Matador" or "Matador Squadron"? So basically, each squad will run 3 lava with 3 gunners? |
X-eon
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
7
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:34:00 -
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It's the latter (Matador Squadron) I sent an invite to your primary as well. Since there's not enough clones in the chat we gotta think smaller first. |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:36:00 -
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Im usually online on and off throughtout the day. With just the two of us we have had a lot of fun and made good progress it would be nice to have someone who is specialized in Av as well for counter measures against other vehicles. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
67
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:41:00 -
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ignored LAVs? you see ''squadrons'' of people driving LAVs in every game.......... |
Ld Collins
On The Brink CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:47:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:ignored LAVs? you see ''squadrons'' of people driving LAVs in every game.......... those are free lavs that noobies use or people have purchased from elite packs. Prior to uprising the free lav was a rolling coffin that noone used but since the hp buff noobs have found them useful but none of those lavs can compare to the lav me and X-eon use. Most of those people running those Lavs are coming straight out of the academy since early on new players dont have the sp to dedicate themselves to av weapons early on, so now you have a bunch of crybaby threads. In general lavs are ignored |
Vethosis
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:51:00 -
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Can you invite me to the chat? |
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Ld Collins
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.29 05:52:00 -
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Here's something I've recently picked up on about Logisitcal Lavs these lavs do less turret damage than Methana and Saga lavs. Logistical lavs are designed as intended for support not attack so if you want to take out enemies skill fully and more effectively than running people over gave a Saga or Methana. I can't speak for the Saga but the Methana can be setup with 15% shield resistance and a damage control module in its high slots and for the low an armor rep PG extender and a 15% armor resistance mod as for turret you could use a Scattered Ion Blaster or play with the CPU/PG and fit a Cycled Missile Turret. You can decided to clear the field of infantry with the Blaster or remove all installations from the field to give and ADS/DS clear air space.
I have not tested the turret damage on the scout lavs but i will be doing that tomorrow the increased speed and tracking of the scout lav could make it a very good situational vehicle.
Im also here to reach out to any AV or explosive experts on practicing some bait and switch tatics. There are plenty of annoying freebie lavs that need to be put in their place. |
Ld Collins
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 05:38:00 -
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I saw this bit of information in the trainng grounds and I thought it would be nice to post it here also
CharCharOdell wrote:Logi LAVs are the new Sagaris' and Surya's. Because my expertise is in shield tanking, I will show ya'll how to build a proper Charybdis using one of three builds.
The Scout
Hull: Charybdis Low power slots: 2x variable Vane Turbine (or the best variant you can fit) High power slots: 3x Supplemental shield generator (or the best variant you can fit) 1x Kinetic Energy Recovery System (or the best variant you can fit Small turret: 1x ST-1 Accelerated missile launcher
The reason this fit works is that unlike other fittings, it can go from a standstill to top speed in just over one second, allowing you to tear through hoards of red dots at close range. However, you are far less tanky than other fits so don't get brave.
The Tank
Hull: Charybdis Low power slots: 2x local powergrid expansion High power slots: 2x supplemental shield amplifier (or the best you can fit) 1x azeotropic ward shield extender 1x light converse shield booster Small turret: 1x AT-1 Accelerated missile launcher
This fitting can take more punishment than any other fitting, but doesn't require the micromanaging that a similar HAV fit would use, as its resistance modules are passive. This way, the driver needs only monitor shields and not running into poles.
The True Logistics LAV:
Hull: Charybdis Low power slots: 1x local powergrid upgrade (or the best variant you can fit) 1x local power diagnostic system High power slots: 1x wavelength active scanner 1x light clarity ward shield booster 1x supplemental shield amplifier 1x light converse shield transporter Small turret: 1x ST-1 Accelerated missile launcher
Working in combination with a Caldari HAV or with shield tanked infantry, this fit can prevent flanking attacks, repair dropsuit shields and vehicle shields, as well as provide a small gun platform for AV duty. Small turret: 1x ST-1 Accelerated missile launcher
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81779
Those who are also interested in Dropships can find pilots in the Condor Squad channel. |
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