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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:22:00 -
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We are supposed to be getting the domination game mode in which we fight over a single point. I think this may the the heavy suit's calling. Plexing in eve means you sit a spot in space for a certain amount of time and you win that complex. The captured plex does whatever and you move to the next one in system. If the new single point game is time based then it would be a heavy suit's dream. A scout or two could scout out the area and scan it down while the assault suits push on to capture. While the site is being capped the fat bellies could lumber in and set up camp. A fat suit would have a spot to defend and that point being the only reason for the battle would pull in the red berries for harvesting.
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DESTROYER416
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:25:00 -
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thou you have a good point there wont be as many heavies as you think. Very few have spec back into heavies |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:41:00 -
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Heavy sets up camp with HMG. Sniper finds a position they can hit Heavy from. Heavy can't fight back, dies fast.
Heavy sets up camp. "Sniper" with Tac AR takes corner wide, sees Heavy from outside Shotgun range, and has therefore already won.
Heavy sets up camp. Assault with SMG can hit him from outside HMG optimal and win.
Unless you're expecting the lone objective to force Shotgun-range encounters, I'm not seeing the Heavy viable even as a point-defense option in Domination without a range buff. |
SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:48:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Unless you're expecting the lone objective to force Shotgun-range encounters, I'm not seeing the Heavy viable even as a point-defense option in Domination without a range buff.
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It's quiet sad that scouts can do our job better then us with Remote Explosives and Shotgun/SMG |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:59:00 -
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Setting up camp doesn't mean standing still. Counter snipers stop sniping and assault suit counter assault suits. I understand that the heavy crowd is upset but you can carry other weapons and not to be rude but switch styles a little bit and do something do different. I want to see effective and very dangerous heavy suits. I like knowing my heavy merc is going to do his job for me and my squad while I do mine. I am saying this for a love of full out total war and all the rewards it brings and I totally feel and think that this heavy issue will be worked out very soon and it will be a viable profession again. Try to relax and not jump ship just yet, real men hull tank. |
Eisen Sonnet
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:01:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:We are supposed to be getting the domination game mode in which we fight over a single point. I think this may the the heavy suit's calling. Plexing in eve means you sit a spot in space for a certain amount of time and you win that complex. The captured plex does whatever and you move to the next one in system. If the new single point game is time based then it would be a heavy suit's dream. A scout or two could scout out the area and scan it down while the assault suits push on to capture. While the site is being capped the fat bellies could lumber in and set up camp. A fat suit would have a spot to defend and that point being the only reason for the battle would pull in the red berries for harvesting.
The extra health on a heavy is worthless compared to the high rate of dps currently in the game. Half of it is in shields so one flux grenade and /lol . Adding to that the HMG's **** poor range and you're basically left with a giant golden potato standing on an objective. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:09:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Setting up camp doesn't mean standing still. Counter snipers stop sniping and assault suit counter assault suits. I understand that the heavy crowd is upset but you can carry other weapons and not to be rude but switch styles a little bit and do something do different. I want to see effective and very dangerous heavy suits. I like knowing my heavy merc is going to do his job for me and my squad while I do mine. I am saying this for a love of full out total war and all the rewards it brings and I totally feel and think that this heavy issue will be worked out very soon and it will be a viable profession again. Try to relax and not jump ship just yet, real men hull tank. I run a Scout suit as my main and for one of my alts. I run Logi as a secondary role on my main. I run a Logi alt. I run a tank alt (who will be respeccing as soon as possible if the vehicle skills aren't fixed properly) I HAVEN'T been running a Heavy yet.
I've done a few short experiments on an alt that I use to test things, with low-tier fittings, and I've watched how Heavies handle in the new build. I'm not upset because I've been nerfed. I'm upset because I've effectively had some of my most enjoyable opponents nerfed. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:15:00 -
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No different than before except everyone got a range nerf. I don't totally agree with the damage nurf but the range was excessive. Flavor of the month syndrome. CPU/PG SP is high so spec into logi suits and now people are complaining about logi being OP. The heavy suit was hardcore and people had problems with them and the were told HTFU by the heavy people because the HMG damage combined with the rang was OP. There is little difference beside the range of the engagement and the tactics needed to win. We were completely destroyed by some imps and imperfects today with HMG. They stuck close and didn't lone wolf except to cap points. I killed their entire squad one time with an OB but they blew us out of the water. There is little difference in the HMG when compared and contrasted against the other weapons and their nerfs. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:18:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Setting up camp doesn't mean standing still. Counter snipers stop sniping and assault suit counter assault suits. I understand that the heavy crowd is upset but you can carry other weapons and not to be rude but switch styles a little bit and do something do different. I want to see effective and very dangerous heavy suits. I like knowing my heavy merc is going to do his job for me and my squad while I do mine. I am saying this for a love of full out total war and all the rewards it brings and I totally feel and think that this heavy issue will be worked out very soon and it will be a viable profession again. Try to relax and not jump ship just yet, real men hull tank. I run a Scout suit as my main and for one of my alts. I run Logi as a secondary role on my main. I run a Logi alt. I run a tank alt (who will be respeccing as soon as possible if the vehicle skills aren't fixed properly) I HAVEN'T been running a Heavy yet. I've done a few short experiments on an alt that I use to test things, with low-tier fittings, and I've watched how Heavies handle in the new build. I'm not upset because I've been nerfed. I'm upset because I've effectively had some of my most enjoyable opponents nerfed.
I understand that and know the feeling. I enjoy heavies and the destruction they bring. I just don't want to see good players rage quitting or changing roles because of a nerf that will probably change in the very near future. We need strong heavy mercs and if our fat bellies give in to a nerf that may not last we are all screwed.
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lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:19:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:We are supposed to be getting the domination game mode in which we fight over a single point. I think this may the the heavy suit's calling. Plexing in eve means you sit a spot in space for a certain amount of time and you win that complex. The captured plex does whatever and you move to the next one in system. If the new single point game is time based then it would be a heavy suit's dream. A scout or two could scout out the area and scan it down while the assault suits push on to capture. While the site is being capped the fat bellies could lumber in and set up camp. A fat suit would have a spot to defend and that point being the only reason for the battle would pull in the red berries for harvesting.
This will be as it was last time... a tanks game, with all the rail sniping you can handle.
Unless the oblective moves after x amount of time like a headquarters type game, it will fail like it did last time they put it up.
I do not want it to fail, but a game mode that promotes movement such as headquarters reduces camping and player stress :) |
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:36:00 -
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AV is good for tanks and a six man squad should have room for some AV. The original skirmish map was great if that is what you are talking about and CCP said it is coming back. Moving the objective is fine by me but all roles need a place to fight and HMGs are made for cqc and heavy suits are slow so they are campers made to hold objectives or slowly move through an area as area denial and cover fire.
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