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Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 878	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3922	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:22:00 - [2] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it? Guess what Logi-suit is not a day one class its more of a lvl 40 class. The Light, Medium and Heavies are the new starter classes.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 880	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:29:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cyn Bruin wrote: You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it? Guess what Logi-suit is not a day one class its more of a lvl 40 class. The Light, Medium and Heavies are the new starter classes. Thank you for pointing these out. While not great, they are "something". The SP sink in this game is still going to drive new people away. If I'm having issues on a character with 3mil SP and I've played this for a year, imagine new people coming in. The SP grind is VERY comparable to a Korean MMO. Thoughts?
Mitsuko'Souma DUST514 IS GAYER THAN AIDS 26	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:31:00 - [4] - Quote Actually it will raise the new player retention rate because there will be less KB/M users and heavy suits pubstomping them into submission. Still a really bad game though, it's doomed until they fix the core gameplay issues.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 28	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:33:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guess what Logi-suit is not a day one class its more of a lvl 40 class. The Light, Medium and Heavies are the new starter classes. Guess what, we don't have levels. This is why people don't really care for most of you CPM folks. Nothing resourceful or useful ever comes out of your mouths. You guys are worse than the player population when it comes to posting useless and pointless remarks in a thread. Instead you should have encouraged a discussion of the OP or at the very least offered a counter POV. Instead, you trolled the thread like a ********. Just one more reason to show that the CPM should have started off as an election and not an appointment.
Al Lopestes Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:39:00 - [6] - Quote Mitsuko'Souma wrote: Still a really bad game though Uprising Patch: amazing...everything for MAPPING, LIGHTING. the rest. ok to good
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3925	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:43:00 - [7] - Quote Deadeye Dic wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guess what Logi-suit is not a day one class its more of a lvl 40 class. The Light, Medium and Heavies are the new starter classes. Guess what, we don't have levels. This is why people don't really care for most of you CPM folks. Nothing resourceful or useful ever comes out of your mouths. You guys are worse than the player population when it comes to posting useless and pointless remarks in a thread. Instead you should have encouraged a discussion of the OP or at the very least offered a counter POV. Instead, you trolled the thread like a ********. Just one more reason to show that the CPM should have started off as an election and not an appointment. Maybe you need to take a step back and try to see the issue from my point of view for a bit. 1. Research https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqHgiF-KXQZXdE9PTjl5UmFGQk9kOVkxX0VZX1RfOXc#gid=0 Well in the short amount of time I had I had to create this tree. 2. Observe Look for things sticking out and not in place 3. Analyze Realize that the issue is beyond the suits themselves. 4. Formulate Come up with a plan that satisfies costumer consumption rates vs available content 5. Present and Debate and hopefully a better solution comes down the pipe. Bottom Line its more messed up than you'd imagined.
Dazereth the 2nd Stoned Kloned Killers 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:44:00 - [8] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it? My gripes EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:48:00 - [9] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it? Why would a new player care about this? They haven't had the better stuff quicker to really be fussed about it. I don't see them caring much, especially since the progression tree in Dust 514 is much deeper than any FPS. They're going to complain that they get more than other games? I don't get it. It sounds more like the sort of things that a player who played a previous build and was used to getting things quicker would complain about.
The legend345 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 146	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:48:00 - [10] - Quote Cyn Bruin wrote: You won't see any new people CCP. They won't stay with this game in it's current iteration. Reason: 1. It cost me 2 million SP just to be able to use XXXXX Logistics Suit LVL1. 2. New Characters get 500k SP to spend. 3. With a difference of 1.5 Million SP and new players without boosters earning 358k (190k active, 168k Passive) a week, thats 4 weeks for a new person to reach a LVL1 suit. Extrapolate this microcosm of Skill Points across the skill features (Engineering x5 now) and can you imagine being a new person and stuck in a beginner suit for months... Seriously CCP... How did this build get released with these types of SP sinks in it? this games going to flow im just going to quit now and not waist my time

Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 29	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Maybe you need to take a step back and try to see the issue from my point of view for a bit. 1. Research https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqHgiF-KXQZXdE9PTjl5UmFGQk9kOVkxX0VZX1RfOXc#gid=0 Well in the short amount of time I had I had to create this tree. 2. Observe Look for things sticking out and not in place 3. Analyze Realize that the issue is beyond the suits themselves. 4. Formulate Come up with a plan that satisfies costumer consumption rates vs available content 5. Present and Debate and hopefully a better solution comes down the pipe. Bottom Line its more messed up than you'd imagined. I don't have an issue trying to view things from your POV, but you offered no POV, you trolled the thread. You offered no counter discussion at all, you trolled the thread.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2211	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:52:00 - [12] - Quote New players will come - see class options - think they have choices - pick one - go into battle - then start asking why they're useless - post on the forums - told HTFU - then wonder if it's legal to falsely advertise your game to say it's sandbox.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 245	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:54:00 - [13] - Quote He usually types alot but says nothing, best ignore him.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 169	Posted - 2013.05.06 23:57:00 - [14] - Quote More delicious QQing. It's all the entitled, I used to pwn, and now I'm just like everyone else folks. Oh noes, I can't pubstomp noobs all day long since my advantage has been reduced. Waaaaah!


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