DUST Search - =An AV Guy Speaks Out on Vehicle Balance= ----------------------------------- :P

Justin Tymes wrote:

Jonny Moreau wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

So what your saying is you want tanks to be invincible against casuals and hella hard to defeat against vets. That would be fine, if tanks were banned from pub matches, but they aren't. PC will just be putting a bandage on the problem. Either ban tanks from pubs or make them so causal players can at least give them headaches(Causal as in Advanced AV gear).

Bro, do you even TANK? The only successful tank drivers are those who get put in against noob/mlt players or those who use their tanks as mobile turrets. A well fit gunnlogi has 7k shields (no shield control) and about a 2k shield booster. A damage mod stacked DCMA-5 breach forge gun does 2800 ish damage. With about a 4.5 second charge time. Put him on a roof where he can see a majority of the battlefield and he can easily repulse almost any tank singlehandedly. An ishukone assault forge gun damage modded does around 2300 ish damage with a 1.4 second charge time. 6 seconds and my tank is running to the hills if not gone in a cloud of majestic atomization. And with a corp coordinating against you? Dont even bother with the tank. If they have two dedicated av guys and one or two more with av nades, the tank stands 0 chance.

Don't make it like Infantry aren't a part of this equation. What roof in Ambush and OMS are you going to be where every infantry unit isn't seeing you? You'll be forced to retreat or sniped before you get the second shot in. There is literally no where you can go in Ambush where Lasers can't hit you, hell most places ARs can hit you. Forget about Snipers they're hitting your from almost anywhere. Have you even played an Ambush match, especially in Magus Peak?

And it's clear you haven't read my post at all. What causal is going to be rolling with a Ishukone that cost 110,000+ ISK? Just the weapon alone is costing more than some entire advanced suits, and with Damage Modes you have a high chance of dying to even Militia ARs. No one is going to bring that out in pubs, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to bring a DCMA out in pubs. You can't scream for a buff to tanks, without fixing the pub problem first. IDGAF about casuals is not an answer, as this game success will hinge heavily on them.


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Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 259	Posted - 2013.05.05 04:33:00 - [1] - Quote Every tanker and AV guy agrees with you. I gaurentee it. I'm not saying remove enforcers because the zoom function can be nice sometimes, but we really do need real tanks. Let me make a WWII anology of what tanks should be: Sica/soma (mlt) = stuart light tanks gunlogi/madrugar (std) = shermans/pazer IV marauders (adv) = panthers enforcers (adv) = Hellcats/m10's proto tanks of AR crushing slaughter houses = king tigers proto tank destroyers of murderous intent = jadgpanthers just an idea from a tanker. I do think enforcers have their place, tho. but we need something that is the polar opposite of them. and having proto av against std tanks is unbalanced...probably more than anything else. the fact that we have tankers who still manage to own when they're present is a testament to their skill. Just wait till we get proto tanks
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 260	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:06:00 - [2] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Jonny Moreau wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: So what your saying is you want tanks to be invincible against casuals and hella hard to defeat against vets. That would be fine, if tanks were banned from pub matches, but they aren't. PC will just be putting a bandage on the problem. Either ban tanks from pubs or make them so causal players can at least give them headaches(Causal as in Advanced AV gear). Bro, do you even TANK? The only successful tank drivers are those who get put in against noob/mlt players or those who use their tanks as mobile turrets. A well fit gunnlogi has 7k shields (no shield control) and about a 2k shield booster. A damage mod stacked DCMA-5 breach forge gun does 2800 ish damage. With about a 4.5 second charge time. Put him on a roof where he can see a majority of the battlefield and he can easily repulse almost any tank singlehandedly. An ishukone assault forge gun damage modded does around 2300 ish damage with a 1.4 second charge time. 6 seconds and my tank is running to the hills if not gone in a cloud of majestic atomization. And with a corp coordinating against you? Dont even bother with the tank. If they have two dedicated av guys and one or two more with av nades, the tank stands 0 chance. Don't make it like Infantry aren't a part of this equation. What roof in Ambush and OMS are you going to be where every infantry unit isn't seeing you? You'll be forced to retreat or sniped before you get the second shot in. There is literally no where you can go in Ambush where Lasers can't hit you, hell most places ARs can hit you. Forget about Snipers they're hitting your from almost anywhere. Have you even played an Ambush match, especially in Magus Peak? And it's clear you haven't read my post at all. What causal is going to be rolling with a Ishukone that cost 110,000+ ISK? Just the weapon alone is costing more than some entire advanced suits, and with Damage Modes you have a high chance of dying to even Militia ARs. No one is going to bring that out in pubs, you'll be hard pressed to find someone to bring a DCMA out in pubs. You can't scream for a buff to tanks, without fixing the pub problem first. IDGAF about casuals is not an answer, as this game success will hinge heavily on them. Ok, bro, I'm that guy who will go 41/0 in a skirmish without ever losing half my shields and I am telling you that after may 14th, you probably will never see me pulling tanks in pubs because I've got PC to deal with. Most of the other serious tankers are the same way. Also: omg 110,000 ISK!? That's sooooo much! try 2.5 mil/suit and then come crying to me.
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 261	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:55:00 - [3] - Quote I'm rail sniping until I get tanks that are tanks- not artillery. your forge guns do not have the range or accuracy to counter me. 41/0 every match, here I come!