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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:19:00 -
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Those of you who are demanding refunds without reset need to learn to read.
The statement on the merc pack states that 'during the beta period ccp may need to reset etc' and it also mentions the 'refund'. Ok, what you all fail to realize is that the reference to the refund is only valid SHOULD ccp NEED to reset.
Now unless some of you aren't educated let me point out that said reset reference and refund reference are in fact a complete sentence, not seperate.
Therefore the refund does NOT apply if there is no reset.
You have an optional refund coming up, but it's your choice. Take the refund and get RESET or decline the refund and keep your progress.
It's not that hard to understand |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:20:00 -
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Here's the thing. These internet peeps tried to be lawyers. But they got outplayed.
Hard.
GG WP. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:29:00 -
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It is hard to understand. To them. Now, let's visit these forums in 2 days when uprising is live and everyone is not spamming crap anymore :) |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:35:00 -
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lol at space lawyers. |
Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:43:00 -
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The problem is that it doesn't read that way. You'd need to pull a Bill Clinton and try to debate the meaning of the word and.
It says refund at reset AND at commercial release. Those two items are exclusive of each other. If it said in order to receive a refund there must be a reset and the commercial release you'd have an argument.
The choice of going back to zero is ONLY there because this is exactly the way CCP's legal team interpreted it.
The issue is whether this is an issue that will cause a ton of people to leave. Will it receive bad press? Will it keep others from trying out the game? Will it keep players that used to spend money from spending money in the future?
As a person who wants this game to succeed I want to see a better attempt to satisfy a valid issue.
The people who are so against the "QQers" are likely people who think AUR should not be a part of the game to begin with.
I don't want anything for free. I don't require any refund to be satisfied, but I empathize with others who feel wronged. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
844
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:11:00 -
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Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:13:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release.
So we are supposed to make a purchase based on an unspoken assumption on CCP's end?
2-4-1 sale, providing we decide to give you 2-4-1. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:18:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release. So we are supposed to make a purchase based on an unspoken assumption on CCP's end? 2-4-1 sale, providing we decide to give you 2-4-1.
I wrote a big ass response before the other thread got locked, so here's the TL:DR
yes, it's bad that CCP has to resort to technicalities, but many people here were also using technicalities to try and take advantage of the situation, it just so happens that CCP is better at the lawyer game. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2141
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:20:00 -
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Give CCP cash or they'll ignore your class for another. |
Grezkev
The Red Guards
EoN.
217
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:21:00 -
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Capitalism: 43029380412840238951239109379235
Consumers: 0
We almost got em! |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1338
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:21:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Baal Roo wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release. So we are supposed to make a purchase based on an unspoken assumption on CCP's end? 2-4-1 sale, providing we decide to give you 2-4-1. I wrote a big ass response before the other thread got locked, so here's the TL:DR Yes, it's bad that CCP has to resort to technicalities, but many people here were also using technicalities to try and take advantage of the "no more resets" situation, it just so happens that CCP is better at the lawyer game.
So now it's a "technicality" to want the thing I bought from them, that they used as the main selling feature of the item in the first place? |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:25:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Baal Roo wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release. So we are supposed to make a purchase based on an unspoken assumption on CCP's end? 2-4-1 sale, providing we decide to give you 2-4-1. I wrote a big ass response before the other thread got locked, so here's the TL:DR Yes, it's bad that CCP has to resort to technicalities, but many people here were also using technicalities to try and take advantage of the "no more resets" situation, it just so happens that CCP is better at the lawyer game. So now it's a "technicality" to want the thing I bought from them, that they used as the main selling feature of the item in the first place?
In the other thread you spoke about the "intent" of the agreement, well that intent didn't mix well with their change of plans. Now you get to benefit from either the merc packs offer, or the "no more resets", not both. Because I seriously doubt the intent was ever a 2 for 1 offer.
I would say the original intent, or "spirit" of the agreement ,was fulfilled the last time we got reset, during the move to Open Beta.
Now it's up to you to choose, your time or money. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
846
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:27:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Baal Roo wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:Refund at reset and commercial release yes, providing they would have to reset ON commercial release. So we are supposed to make a purchase based on an unspoken assumption on CCP's end? 2-4-1 sale, providing we decide to give you 2-4-1. I wrote a big ass response before the other thread got locked, so here's the TL:DR Yes, it's bad that CCP has to resort to technicalities, but many people here were also using technicalities to try and take advantage of the "no more resets" situation, it just so happens that CCP is better at the lawyer game. So now it's a "technicality" to want the thing I bought from them, that they used as the main selling feature of the item in the first place?
You bought it already!!!!!
You used it!!!!
You used it to get to the current stats that your character is at.
You used it multiple times over on each reset, and now resets have been taken advantage of too many times and enough is enough.....you don't like it.
You can have your refund, just start over.
'Refund on reset' is the agreement |
Kaze Eyrou
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:29:00 -
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Please see my post on this topic: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=746088 |
Tok'Ra Operative
Tok'Ra.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:31:00 -
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Space lawyer checking...  |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
846
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:37:00 -
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Tok'Ra Operative wrote:Space lawyer checking...
Not space lawyers, just people who have had enough of this bs. |
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