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2100 Angels wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

Natu Nobilis wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

Idiots.

You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ******, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as ****, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless.

First: Great start on th ename calling! The perfect way of being teakne seriously in a conversation.

So basically you-¦re saying: I know better, things the way they are suck, and even if CCP changes stuff, it will contine to suck, either being OP or Nerfed, so now, in the future, and all the possible futures, it will suck.

This kind of text adds in what to the conversation, the balancing or the humanity ?

Serious question.

I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing.

By this logic we would still have dumbfire swarms and sniper rifles that could shoot down dropships. get a grip

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Callidus Vanus BetaMax. CRONOS. 43	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:27:00 - [1] - Quote Uprising updates: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=740482 Quote: Marauder HAVs are temporarily removed for rework So quit your kittening they aren't being removed completely.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:32:00 - [2] - Quote They are coming back as "kittens"!!
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 339	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:33:00 - [3] - Quote No man, judging from tears on the forums they ARE GONE FOREVER.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 49	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:50:00 - [4] - Quote Well being more reasonable. They are reworking what was in effect a STD tank shell with proto modules. Imagine what the Proto HAV shell with proto modules would have been like in pub matches. I think they removed them for the moment is the fact a true proto tank would have been unimaginably powerful if it were based on the current set up. So the STD tank needs to be reworked because they still need to introduce a proto variant at some point and it still needs to be balanced against MTACs, AV etc in the more distant future. I can not see them just leaving egg shell tanks as the future of the HAV forevermore.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 173	Posted - 2013.05.04 10:59:00 - [5] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: No man, judging from tears on the forums they ARE GONE FOREVER. Hope you-¦re talking about the spammers and whinners. It would be a happy day.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 984	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:03:00 - [6] - Quote Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 139	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:06:00 - [7] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. Which will result in your massive QQ, yes. You're getting killed by your hard counter. What is the problem?
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:09:00 - [8] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. First: Great start on th ename calling! The perfect way of being teakne seriously in a conversation. So basically you-¦re saying: I know better, things the way they are suck, and even if CCP changes stuff, it will contine to suck, either being OP or Nerfed, so now, in the future, and all the possible futures, it will suck. This kind of text adds in what to the conversation, the balancing or the humanity ? Serious question.
Smooth Head Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:13:00 - [9] - Quote SoonGäó they say. Gone forever.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 984	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:18:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. Which will result in your massive QQ, yes. You're getting killed by your hard counter. What is the problem? The problem is CCP do not tweak, they do not change values of the item until it's perfect, they do it all at once, either making it incredibly OP or completely nerfed, the issue is not the AV for me, it's the fact CCP balances based off of public matches where the majority of the players are bad and cannot form a capable team. A Single HAV gets called in and the entire battle falls apart because they all switch to AV, get decimated by infantry, switch back to A.I and get decimated by the tank. In a Corp Battle, the HAV is really only useful as a railgun tank, and if you don't have a railgun tank backing you up, you end up regretting it. Look at the other Vehicles and weapons that CCP "balances". Nobody uses missiles, nobody uses breach weapons. Not only this, but it doesn't help when players are stuck using their crutch and will not admit to it. Missiles were OP, the users said it wasn't. Tanks were OP once, but Tankers denied it repeatedly. the Viziam is OP yet everyone says "NO IT'S FINE!!!111" up until recently, we say AV Grenades are massively OP, all the Infantry jump up and state otherwise, defending a crutch. I will tell you, Blasters and Railguns are OP, not the tank, Rails that hit 5k damage, blasters that instagib infantry, it's ridiculously overpowered but tankers will defend them because if we didn't have OP weapons, Heavies with 1k HP would be able to get 3 shots off resulting in 6000 Damage in seconds.

Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 984	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:20:00 - [11] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. First: Great start on th ename calling! The perfect way of being teakne seriously in a conversation. So basically you-¦re saying: I know better, things the way they are suck, and even if CCP changes stuff, it will contine to suck, either being OP or Nerfed, so now, in the future, and all the possible futures, it will suck. This kind of text adds in what to the conversation, the balancing or the humanity ? Serious question. I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:24:00 - [12] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. First: Great start on th ename calling! The perfect way of being teakne seriously in a conversation. So basically you-¦re saying: I know better, things the way they are suck, and even if CCP changes stuff, it will contine to suck, either being OP or Nerfed, so now, in the future, and all the possible futures, it will suck. This kind of text adds in what to the conversation, the balancing or the humanity ? Serious question. I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing. By this logic we would still have dumbfire swarms and sniper rifles that could shoot down dropships. get a grip
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 433	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:25:00 - [13] - Quote Readjusted usually = Nerfed to **** Anyone remember what happened to Battleships in EVE? Or Titans?
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 984	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:27:00 - [14] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Idiots. You mock the fact we know the Marauder Tanks are completely ****, it's not that we don't expect to see them come back ever, but CCP is never good at balancing vehicles, they're awful at it. The Marauder Tank will be either two things, completely nerfed and useless or OP as **, which will result in massive QQ and us being nerfed and useless. First: Great start on th ename calling! The perfect way of being teakne seriously in a conversation. So basically you-¦re saying: I know better, things the way they are suck, and even if CCP changes stuff, it will contine to suck, either being OP or Nerfed, so now, in the future, and all the possible futures, it will suck. This kind of text adds in what to the conversation, the balancing or the humanity ? Serious question. I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing. By this logic we would still have dumbfire swarms and sniper rifles that could shoot down dropships. get a grip Completely miss the point I'm trying to make, kthx. CCP needs to not smash things with a hammer, instead, delicately adjust things all the time so that we're constantly testing and reporting on these changes that they work or do not work.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:31:00 - [15] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing. And yet, you play the game. Or at least invest time to write down on the forums.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 986	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:38:00 - [16] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: I don't need to make you take me seriously, as you do not already view this temp removal as an issue. Every single build, CCP fucks up, everyone that's been here long enough knows this and doesn't need to play it just to make sure, I can assure you it's bad unless CCP changes their approach to balancing. And yet, you play the game. Or at least invest time to write down on the forums. I never said I didn't play the game, I have joined a Corp, I have met people that I enjoy speaking too and would like to meet outside of the game, I doubt I would be still playing if I didn't meet such a great group of people, that being said I still enjoy the game (some of the time) and every nerf is a new challenge, but understand where I am coming from, these nerfs are either too much, For example, HMGs, with the sharpshooter gone, it means that every weapon has their range reduced, making the HMG an okay weapon at default, but then it takes an additional range nerf and damage nerf, it should've been one of the two, not both. Or Missiles, yes they were completely OP at one point, but then they got their range reduced, damage reduced and splash reduce, a triple nerf and overkill. They should of reduced the splash and range, we all called them out on it and told them Missiles wouldn't be used. They're definitely not used as a serious weapon anymore.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 65	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:39:00 - [17] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: By this logic we would still have dumbfire swarms and sniper rifles that could shoot down dropships. get a grip Completely miss the point I'm trying to make, kthx. CCP needs to not smash things with a hammer, instead, delicately adjust things all the time so that we're constantly testing and reporting on these changes that they work or do not work. That wasn't the point you made. The point you made was that they ** up every build and that you don't need to play the next one to know that they've **** it up again. If that wasn't what you MEANT to say, it might be a good idea to better articulate your arguments so that you're not misunderstood. In any case it is a stupid assertion, and I disagree. This game is much better than what I played way back when at the start of closed beta, and you can have absolutely no knowledge of the effects changes have had on game play other than numbers on a sheet, which discredits your opinion entirely. What you've said does appear to be a good way of approaching balancing, and does in fact appear to form part of their balancing strategy. This is evidenced by the alteration of the charge sniper rifle from a standard weapon to a prototype weapon. Seems to be more of a "delicate adjustment" to me. Perhaps the changes to tanks required a big alteration in order to bring them in line with their plan for the future? This is just speculation... I couldn't possibly know how the changes have affected the game play; and neither can you.
Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 593	Posted - 2013.05.04 11:47:00 - [18] - Quote I must be one of the few tankers that's chilled out about the next build and not overly concerned, and considering I use the laser most when I'm on foot I've got twice the reason to be worried about the next build, but meh life is too short for getting worked up over what might happen, if the next build sucks for me I'll adapt. Keep calm and carry on.... or bite down and think of England.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 408	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:22:00 - [19] - Quote I hope they come back as proto tanks 5% resistance per lvl for HAV or whatever Base armor/shield of like 5-6k 6L/3H 6H/3L for armor/shield Increased base CPU/PG HAV lvl 5tho and maybe 5mil ISK but it would be epic strong
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 121	Posted - 2013.05.04 12:49:00 - [20] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: No man, judging from tears on the forums they ARE GONE FOREVER. Just like the covert tanks they said they would remove temporarily.



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