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Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:18:00 -
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thanks to the jerks at Immobile Infantry running over blues with lavs at a high rate, this outlines the importance of punishing and acknowledging team killers.
players will always find workarounds. its a better idea to accept this will happen and address it. Team killing should be penalized by forcing tkers to reimburse their victims of the gear they destroy and by kicking them from games if they do it enough.
IMO Its insane that FF will not be on in all game modes and it dilutes the tactical aspect of the game. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
184
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:24:00 -
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Nonononononono trust me, the last thing you want in this game is TK in pubs. You get 2 'alt' accounts that you can just troll peeps with when you hit your cap. FF in pubs brings nothing but bad, in PC yeah it needs to be there, but pubs no. I can see the mayhem that will come if FF is allowed in pubs. There will be corporations devoted to trolling with this. |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
490
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:28:00 -
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Why don't you just bump their LAVs with a tank? |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
457
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:31:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:thanks to the jerks at Immobile Infantry running over blues with lavs at a high rate, this outlines the importance of punishing and acknowledging team killers.
There's been a huge misunderstanding. All you need to do is file a formal complaint:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67773
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Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
265
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:39:00 -
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formal complaint? we happen to agree these are issues mechanics within the game need to resolve...many games would struggle here. new eden has CONCORD.
how can you troll when you replace the gear of friendlies you kill? you would only troll your wallet. its our belief that as an added incentive CONCORD Fines should be introduced as another deterrent. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
108
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:08:00 -
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But... what else do I do when I hit my SP cap if I can't TK protobears? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2633
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:57:00 -
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So, I have 2 million ISK.
I go out and spend it all.
Then I go and TK some poor idiot in a 200,000 ISK Protosuit that I can no longer afford. Then I do it again. And again. And again. And again.
After the match, with my -150 WP, I get a reduced income of 150,000 ISK. This means I have about 170,000 ISK. I can't even afford to pay for ONE of the destroyed suits, let alone all of them. Who pays you back for the cost of your gear now?
And when the player market shows up, how much am I going to pay if some idiot gets in the way of my LAV? The best price in the system? Region? Galaxy? The price you paid (so someone who wants to troll can overpay a friend for something, then trade the ISK back, then jump in front of friendlies)? Material value (almost guaranteed less than the price paid)? |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
267
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:06:00 -
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CONCORD should. We should also see negative ISK [basically a mechanic where CONCORD gets your rewards until you repay your debt] along with a hefty fine. we have to make the punishments enough where people dont want to TK. The lore supports penalties like this in addition to malfunctioning clones being disabled [kicked from the game] |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:09:00 -
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Dusters Blog wrote:CONCORD should. We should also see negative ISK [basically a mechanic where CONCORD gets your rewards until you repay your debt] along with a hefty fine. we have to make the punishments enough where people dont want to TK. The lore supports penalties like this in addition to malfunctioning clones being disabled [kicked from the game]
As long as that was only in Hi and Lo sec I wouldnt have a problem with it. That way the only person who loses is the griefer. You pay for trying to ruin other peoples experiences.
my only concern would be legitimate mistakes. what about those? |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
185
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:17:00 -
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But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
626
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:50:00 -
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It's really the guys who fail to get out of the way who are at fault.
I have capture points to get to in a hurry and sometimes I forget something in the glove compartment, which can happen to all of us and we shouldn't be punished for it. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:33:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then?
thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise.
u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed. |
Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:36:00 -
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i'd like to see something like in game consequences. that way real spies or traitors will still go about their business if the pay is enough to offset the penalties.
be nice to see concord bounties too. wanna team kill? congrats u now have a price on your head. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
626
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:37:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:be nice to see concord bounties too. wanna team kill? congrats u now have a price on your head. Then put the price on my head, don't be a cheapskate thinking CONCORD should pick up your bill. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
129
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:38:00 -
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I want more TK's not less.
But yea pubs shoudnt have FF. Seriously you fool can barely aim, on the flipside it will be gratifying to see the idiots that constantly jump in front of me during a firefight cause they have zero SA get shredded for a change. |
Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
270
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:47:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Dusters Blog wrote:CONCORD should. We should also see negative ISK [basically a mechanic where CONCORD gets your rewards until you repay your debt] along with a hefty fine. we have to make the punishments enough where people dont want to TK. The lore supports penalties like this in addition to malfunctioning clones being disabled [kicked from the game] As long as that was only in Hi and Lo sec I wouldnt have a problem with it. That way the only person who loses is the griefer. You pay for trying to ruin other peoples experiences. my only concern would be legitimate mistakes. what about those?
thats easily accounted for by giving the first TK or TK assists [taking 40% or more health of someone who gets killed by an enemy] a mulligan.
if it happens again, [or on the 4th TK assist] the victim has a kick or forgive option. If a person had more than 3 TKs or 5 friendly assists their clone would be deactivated for malfunctioning [booted from the game] automatically. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:49:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:be nice to see concord bounties too. wanna team kill? congrats u now have a price on your head. Then put the price on my head, don't be a cheapskate thinking CONCORD should pick up your bill.
but CONCORD is the security force in Hi and Low sec. its their job to stop criminal activity. |
First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
49
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:12:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise. u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed. I would just use an alt, follow you around and run into your fire at every chance. If I used a protosuit with NO armor/shield skills or mods but other proto mods, I could cost you some serious ISK. While I'll be completely reimbursed so I can keep trolling. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
626
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:16:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:be nice to see concord bounties too. wanna team kill? congrats u now have a price on your head. Then put the price on my head, don't be a cheapskate thinking CONCORD should pick up your bill. but CONCORD is the security force in Hi and Low sec. its their job to stop criminal activity. LOL
No... They don't stop criminal activity.
They only add limits, such as destroying your ship after the initial aggression. It's a rule that does not stop criminal activity, only confines it within certain parameters.
It's pretty much the same as no FF in pub matches, criminal activity can still accure if people find the right ways. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:36:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise. u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed. I would just use an alt, follow you around and run into your fire at every chance. If I used a protosuit with NO armor/shield skills or mods but other proto mods, I could cost you some serious ISK. While I'll be completely reimbursed so I can keep trolling.
good luck with that. sounds like u forgot about the enemy. you know, the guys shooting at you! i'd bet they'd kill you faster than your attempted suicide attempts. you'd lose proto suits at a ridiculous rate and would just end up trolling yourself. |
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Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:38:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:Rasatsu wrote:Prius Vecht wrote:be nice to see concord bounties too. wanna team kill? congrats u now have a price on your head. Then put the price on my head, don't be a cheapskate thinking CONCORD should pick up your bill. but CONCORD is the security force in Hi and Low sec. its their job to stop criminal activity. LOL No... They don't stop criminal activity. They only add limits, such as destroying your ship after the initial aggression. It's a rule that does not stop criminal activity, only confines it within certain parameters. It's pretty much the same as no FF in pub matches, criminal activity can still accure if people find the right ways.
Isnt that what we're asking for? limits to TKing so we can enjoy the tactical benefits of FF. people will always find ways to cheat the system. just punish them for friendly kills instead. |
First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
51
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:50:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:First Prophet wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise. u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed. I would just use an alt, follow you around and run into your fire at every chance. If I used a protosuit with NO armor/shield skills or mods but other proto mods, I could cost you some serious ISK. While I'll be completely reimbursed so I can keep trolling. good luck with that. sounds like u forgot about the enemy. you know, the guys shooting at you! i'd bet they'd kill you faster than your attempted suicide attempts. you'd lose proto suits at a ridiculous rate and would just end up trolling yourself. In pub matches the other team isn't always that much of a threat. And even with a few faillures, I'd still have the match rewards to help fund the suits, since players are still rewarded no matter how badly they do.
Besides, how many suits or money I lose is irrelevent. It's all a matter of how much I can make you lose. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:55:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:First Prophet wrote:Tolen Rosas wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise. u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed. I would just use an alt, follow you around and run into your fire at every chance. If I used a protosuit with NO armor/shield skills or mods but other proto mods, I could cost you some serious ISK. While I'll be completely reimbursed so I can keep trolling. good luck with that. sounds like u forgot about the enemy. you know, the guys shooting at you! i'd bet they'd kill you faster than your attempted suicide attempts. you'd lose proto suits at a ridiculous rate and would just end up trolling yourself. In pub matches the other team isn't always that much of a threat. And even with a few faillures, I'd still have the match rewards to help fund the suits, since players are still rewarded no matter how badly they do. Besides, how many suits or money I lose is irrelevent. It's all a matter of how much I can make you lose.
let me get this str8, u will walk around and try to jump into friendly gunfire to troll? hahahaha! wont you have 2 turn to the blue to see where he's shooting? 5 bucks says you just get shot n the back by the enemy. what an idiot. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
626
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:51:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:Rasatsu wrote:They only add limits, such as destroying your ship after the initial aggression. It's a rule that does not stop criminal activity, only confines it within certain parameters.
It's pretty much the same as no FF in pub matches, criminal activity can still accure if people find the right ways. Isnt that what we're asking for? limits to TKing so we can enjoy the tactical benefits of FF. people will always find ways to cheat the system. just punish them for friendly kills instead. Well, if you turn on friendly fire and then add penalties it would be the same.
Do you want that?
This is about balance, if you want to add penalties then that assumes friendly fire is a game mechanics that is available to the player, with a negative side that balances it.
If you want to disallow all friendly fire through game mechanics then penalties are not needed. |
Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:14:00 -
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sure I want FF, the foolishness ur talking about makes no sense. trying to get people to kill u so you can get money. so you can get reimbursed for the suit you already have? so you can cost someone money for no reason? please stop typing. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
506
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:33:00 -
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Some people just take pride in being douche bags in video games. If you are TK just remember their gmt,one day you may see them fall and need a raise. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
1212
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:34:00 -
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If I remember correctly they said Friendly Fire was only in Planetary Conquest/Faction Warfare.... |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2944
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:58:00 -
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Tolen Rosas wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:But that's why I'm using one of the 2 alts I have on my character. Who gives a ratsass if that account is negative in ISK, what then? thats a silly, immature self fulfilling prophecy. you wont be able to kill much with a character that wont ever be able to progress because you will be in the hole ISK wise. u also wont cause any real damage because the gear you destroy will be reimbursed.
BPO fits |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
108
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:17:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:I want more TK's not less.
But yea pubs shoudnt have FF. Seriously you fool can barely aim, on the flipside it will be gratifying to see the idiots that constantly jump in front of me during a firefight cause they have zero SA get shredded for a change. So you want to gave negative ISK? You do realize that you would be punished for killing friendlies. And if you really shoot at friendlies this often, then you would be complaining on here about how TK is stupid. |
Eltra Ardell
Immobile Infantry
27
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:24:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden. |
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Mithridates VI
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
1034
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:27:00 -
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A reimbursement system would be ridiculously exploitable.
"Hey, my team mate is at low armour and entering a firefight, if he dies he'll lose his proto suit. If I shoot him, CONCORD will randomly give him money despite their foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of immortal mercenaries."
Friendly fire in all matches, IMO, needs to wait until we have a standings system instead of red/blue teams... and a good interface for configuring these during a match. |
sammus420
Immobile Infantry
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:58:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:thanks to the jerks at Immobile Infantry running over blues with lavs at a high rate, this outlines the importance of punishing and acknowledging team killers.
We realize that this is a problem amoung our corp, especially amoung the newer members who have heard stories of the old days and wish to live in their glory. That is why we have started the report thread, where you can file a complaint, and potential get the bad apples kicked out of the corp. You're helping us help make the game better for everyone by filing a report. We don't want to be tied to those who TK any more than you want to be run over.
I want to thank Leither Yiltron for pointing this out origionally. just go to the following link, read what is required, and post your complaint. All reimbursement comes directly from the corp wallet, so you don't have to worry about the guilty party (who will be removed from the corp immediately) not having the cash to pay.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67773 |
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