DUST Search - possible solution to the AFK epidemic?

Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:

First, diminishing returns used to exist for the Weekly cap, nobody liked it because nobody wanted to grind and grind and grind just to eek out that last bit of SP.

Second the easiest solution is to make in game actions more rewarding then time spent in game. Additionally add a win bonus and a loss deduction (no doubt this would create some rather interesting rage but would certain make people fight harder for the win) Or maybe just the win bonus and just normal accumulation for the loss. Of course this needs to be balanced for vehicles who should get WP for in game actions such as troop transport for x meters carried on a vehicle multiplied by the number of passengers. For tanks perhaps increase their WP generation for kills and destruction since they wont come across as much perhaps. IDK but these are some simple and obvious ways to incentivize players to actually play.

Third and most diffiicult solution is to get gud scrubs and stop relying on the AFKers to get carried. Get your gun game up, devlop some SA and stop being such a noob that cowers and hides the first instant you get shot. learn to use cover, tactics and squads. Stop moving like a giant blob getting farmed over and over because you don't know how to push square instead of X. Learn to teamfire, learn to not shoot me in the back, learn to flank, learn to use vehicles to move to objectives quicker, learn to take an objective, learn to defend an objective, learn that when an enemy tank is on the field having half the team switch to starter AV while the other half protects them LOL's tanks easy(assuming you are brand spanking new) Otherwise half the team using packed AV's alongside 2-3 really solid skilled AV(lvl 3 with some dmg mods) will eff up every tank because

AV>V=FACT.

In other words stop being a leech and expect to be carried every step of the way and learn to play the game, learn to be versatile and adapt and not expect the vets to do everything for you, we're too bitter and quite tired of this game as it is.

Give us a challenge where it isn't a redline inside of 5 minutes followed by 10 mins of you whiny brats redline sniping instead of even remotely trying a counter offensive and i'll consider leaving my guard post in the MCC.

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Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.04.24 16:34:00 - [1] - Quote Why not add n a diminishing returns type of mechanic for every individual battle? One that affects war points, and how much sp is gained per war point. So for example: (These numbers are all made up to give you all a basic idea of what I am talking about.) Player A gained his first kill/ first batch of wp for that match. (50) for every war point he gained, he also gained 10 sp. Thats 500 sp for that kill. As time goes on, the amount of sp he gains per war point begins to drop. At some point, if player A is doing really well, and has gained around 3500 wp. He'll eventually reach a point where the war points he gains will only reward him one sp per wp. He's still able to grind to get much as he wants, the sp per wp ratio won't lower any more then 1 sp per war point, so there is still some incentive to play. This also give new players the ability to keep up with those at the top of the score board. They may only get a few hundred wp. But they'll still get a healthy lump of sp from that fight. Snipers won't whine for getting the short stick of sp. AFKers will be rewarded with nothing, And so and so forth. Get rid of the so gained per second bull, and do something like this. Forgive any typos, or other types of errors. I'm typing this up on my phone, and auto correct is not being kind to me.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1068	Posted - 2013.04.24 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote There is no epidemic. There are millions of post about this too. Pick one and post your crazy idea there. For fucks sake someone lock this post!
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.04.24 16:53:00 - [3] - Quote What don't like ideas that could ruin the circle jerk?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 969	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:49:00 - [4] - Quote Diminishing returns? I'm sold. Now if people would just stop falling for the Up-links in the MCC -_-
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote Scramble Scrub wrote: QQ people are AFK....whatever am I suppose to do?!! HTFU ^ That's your solution to the "epidemic". Welcome to New Eden.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 470	Posted - 2013.04.24 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote And with this 3x SP week it is going to get a whole lot worse. If you play skirmish be prepared to fight along side 5 other mercs.
xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote the simplest solution would be to not use time in game to award the most points...that very very simple fix would solve enough of the issue that people can still do it if the choose and those that are abusing it would scale back. Personally I think awarding in-game usefulness is always a good thing....kill someone...50pts for you, heal someone....hey points for you...you win...hey great job points for you.....hey you sat in the MCC the whole game and your team lost....well thanks for playing...here are some points just to keep you interested. The other issue I do not understand is if your whole team is cloned out and dead...why would you get salvage??? Give that stuff to the winning team only at least its something for winning
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 414	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote Well I completely agree. I never thought rewards for time in game were good but you see the problem is alot of other ppl like the rewards for time in game. So you have to fight against them too (even though they are also against AFKing) Since the majority of the reward comes from time in game and not participation you get AFKing. unless that is changed then this will continue to be a trend.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 969	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: And with this 3x SP week it is going to get a whole lot worse. If you play skirmish be prepared to fight along side 5 other mercs. AFkers are like newberries, pray that they all end up on the other team.
xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:13:00 - [10] - Quote right they could just switch the reward...more SP per WP, less SP per time...then they can still AFK and gain something....just not as much as the guy who went 12-6 and was 3rd on the team.

Anthem Of Chaos No-Mercy Get in the Van. 0	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:49:00 - [11] - Quote This idea is wrong. Sorry mate, no other way to say it without being rude. You want us to get less SP for doing good?! That's absolutely .. well no. Simply no good sir. I should in no way be penalized for accomplishing the goals laid out in the game, because some people don't want to play the game. Force people out of the MCC if MCC afkers are too bad. Me personally, I hardly see this "afk epidemic" And when I do I simply keep playing and we still win a good chunk of the games. It's not that bad of a situation. I have NEVER afk'd through out a game, but I have ran to the fridge real quick to grab a Dew before running back to kill more.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 962	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:53:00 - [12] - Quote My solution is to not care. It's been working so far...
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 595	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:04:00 - [13] - Quote Solution: Wait for Uprising.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 94	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:11:00 - [14] - Quote Belzeebub Santana wrote: And with this 3x SP week it is going to get a whole lot worse. If you play skirmish be prepared to fight along side 5 other mercs. With this event, I might actually start AFK'ing.
Peksecutioner Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:38:00 - [15] - Quote As it currently stands, afking in the mcc while watching tv/surfing the internet/etc is the best way to play this game. Please don't persecute the afkers just because it doesn't conform to your ideas on how this game should be played.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 148	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:48:00 - [16] - Quote It's the start of the weekly SP reset (not even including the x3 event) everyone always AFKs on Wednesdays into Thursdays. By the weekend everyone will be maxed out and you'll see people playing again. I guess the cap is raised this week as well, so it may go on a bit longer than usual. But! Since you can get up to 4500 w/ booster per match, I'd actually expect to see a whole lot more people fighting in matches a lot by friday. There is going to be plenty of churn in just.. a ... second...
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 209	Posted - 2013.04.24 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. - Fix Skirm stats Skirm stats are broken, if they get fixed people might try to help out more, might. You dont even have to fix MCC spawning, just these two things and you'll see a large decrease in AFKers.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 359	Posted - 2013.04.24 22:22:00 - [18] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. - Fix Skirm stats Skirm stats are broken, if they get fixed people might try to help out more, might. You dont even have to fix MCC spawning, just these two things and you'll see a large decrease in AFKers. THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ X1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
hooc roht Black Soul Choir 14	Posted - 2013.04.24 23:03:00 - [19] - Quote To be honest I only really ever hang in the MCC when we are losing really bad...what is the point? And i usually am all alone. When we are winning i fight....maybe that is when we have AFKers... Maybe AFKers are actually winning the game for us? =0
buddha blezz Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.04.24 23:20:00 - [20] - Quote easy and quick solution , play a different game , works for me just fine

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1298	Posted - 2013.04.24 23:57:00 - [21] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Diminishing returns? I'm sold. Now if people would just stop falling for the Up-links in the MCC -_- I don't understand this one bit. Someone was doing an AMAZING job dropping uplinks- everyone was using them, and they were keeping our team in the game. Midway through the match, everything suddenly went downhill for our team, and the uplinks went missing. They ended up inside the MCC next to an AFKer.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 16	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:38:00 - [22] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. Your full of it.. I had 5 campers on me team today. Went 6/9 with about 800 wp and wound up with over 20k sp w/ no boosters. No way you only got 13k
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 21	Posted - 2013.04.25 00:58:00 - [23] - Quote I can't imagine turning the console on and not gaming. It would drive me nuts to keep dropping and returning to a perfectly otherwise useful session every 15 minutes. But, makes it easier for me to collect kills "because only the best players AFK" or whatever (BS)
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1271	Posted - 2013.04.25 01:04:00 - [24] - Quote give me my old missiles back and i can end MCC farming with a single missile from a saga.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 91	Posted - 2013.04.25 01:10:00 - [25] - Quote First, diminishing returns used to exist for the Weekly cap, nobody liked it because nobody wanted to grind and grind and grind just to eek out that last bit of SP. Second the easiest solution is to make in game actions more rewarding then time spent in game. Additionally add a win bonus and a loss deduction (no doubt this would create some rather interesting rage but would certain make people fight harder for the win) Or maybe just the win bonus and just normal accumulation for the loss. Of course this needs to be balanced for vehicles who should get WP for in game actions such as troop transport for x meters carried on a vehicle multiplied by the number of passengers. For tanks perhaps increase their WP generation for kills and destruction since they wont come across as much perhaps. IDK but these are some simple and obvious ways to incentivize players to actually play. Third and most diffiicult solution is to get gud scrubs and stop relying on the AFKers to get carried. Get your gun game up, devlop some SA and stop being such a noob that cowers and hides the first instant you get shot. learn to use cover, tactics and squads. Stop moving like a giant blob getting farmed over and over because you don't know how to push square instead of X. Learn to teamfire, learn to not shoot me in the back, learn to flank, learn to use vehicles to move to objectives quicker, learn to take an objective, learn to defend an objective, learn that when an enemy tank is on the field having half the team switch to starter AV while the other half protects them LOL's tanks easy(assuming you are brand spanking new) Otherwise half the team using packed AV's alongside 2-3 really solid skilled AV(lvl 3 with some dmg mods) will eff up every tank because AV>V=FACT. In other words stop being a leech and expect to be carried every step of the way and learn to play the game, learn to be versatile and adapt and not expect the vets to do everything for you, we're too bitter and quite tired of this game as it is. Give us a challenge where it isn't a redline inside of 5 minutes followed by 10 mins of you whiny brats redline sniping instead of even remotely trying a counter offensive and i'll consider leaving my guard post in the MCC.
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.04.25 04:28:00 - [26] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: First, diminishing returns used to exist for the Weekly cap, nobody liked it because nobody wanted to grind and grind and grind just to eek out that last bit of SP. Second the easiest solution is to make in game actions more rewarding then time spent in game. Additionally add a win bonus and a loss deduction (no doubt this would create some rather interesting rage but would certain make people fight harder for the win) Or maybe just the win bonus and just normal accumulation for the loss. Of course this needs to be balanced for vehicles who should get WP for in game actions such as troop transport for x meters carried on a vehicle multiplied by the number of passengers. For tanks perhaps increase their WP generation for kills and destruction since they wont come across as much perhaps. IDK but these are some simple and obvious ways to incentivize players to actually play. Third and most diffiicult solution is to get gud scrubs and stop relying on the AFKers to get carried. Get your gun game up, devlop some SA and stop being such a noob that cowers and hides the first instant you get shot. learn to use cover, tactics and squads. Stop moving like a giant blob getting farmed over and over because you don't know how to push square instead of X. Learn to teamfire, learn to not shoot me in the back, learn to flank, learn to use vehicles to move to objectives quicker, learn to take an objective, learn to defend an objective, learn that when an enemy tank is on the field having half the team switch to starter AV while the other half protects them LOL's tanks easy(assuming you are brand spanking new) Otherwise half the team using packed AV's alongside 2-3 really solid skilled AV(lvl 3 with some dmg mods) will eff up every tank because AV>V=FACT. In other words stop being a leech and expect to be carried every step of the way and learn to play the game, learn to be versatile and adapt and not expect the vets to do everything for you, we're too bitter and quite tired of this game as it is. Give us a challenge where it isn't a redline inside of 5 minutes followed by 10 mins of you whiny brats redline sniping instead of even remotely trying a counter offensive and i'll consider leaving my guard post in the MCC. I don't want to learn.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 211	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:13:00 - [27] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. Your full of it.. I had 5 campers on me team today. Went 6/9 with about 800 wp and wound up with over 20k sp w/ no boosters. No way you only got 13k What would I gain from lying?
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 414	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:23:00 - [28] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. Your full of it.. I had 5 campers on me team today. Went 6/9 with about 800 wp and wound up with over 20k sp w/ no boosters. No way you only got 13k Maybe it was a shorter game? For instance the 3 ltr map lasts longer and you get more SP even in a redline situation then you would get with a 5 ltr map that is a redline.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 211	Posted - 2013.04.25 15:37:00 - [29] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: - Fix Active SP accrual. I went AFK today and got 15k SP for 80WP and lost with of course 0/0, later on I hopped in my Blaster tank for a Skirm match, although pinned down by a Railgun sniper still managed to get 700-1000WP and won I was third on the leaderboard with a +10-0 K/D, I got 13k SP. This is what needs to be fixed. Your full of it.. I had 5 campers on me team today. Went 6/9 with about 800 wp and wound up with over 20k sp w/ no boosters. No way you only got 13k Yup, it was a redline. And thanks, what you just posted just proved how broken Active SP accrual is. Even if I was lying, Active SP would still be broken, when you get ANY amount of SP from standing still for 20-30mins there is something wrong.


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