DUST Search - Who is jumping right in, and who is letting everyone beta test the new skills/eq...

Knarf Black wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X.

Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing.

I like your attitude, but so far Dust has a small handful of "right" ways to play and millions of "wrong" ways. Stick with whatever the elite guys are currently favoring, because they are definitely not choosing based on their 'preferred roles'. You can build yourself a tightly knit team of unique and complimentary specialists, but a whole squad of full proto AR guys is going to mow you down just the same. (With maybe a heavy, tank, or shotgun scout thrown in there for some semblance of variety.)

Personally, I screwed myself over by focusing on SMGs instead of ARs. I've almost fully upgraded them, and still get kills more reliably with an Exile that has no SP investment outside of three levels of LW sharpshooter. Plus, the Swarm Launcher I've been training in tandem with sidearms, is easily outclassed by the high level AV grenades that lots of AR focused mercs carry around.

Hopefully this will change after May 6th. Lots of elite corp QQ threads around then would be a good sign.

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mollerz s1ck3r Corp 143	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:17:00 - [1] - Quote I'm hesitant to jump right in on May 6th in so far as spending my new giant pool of SPs on all new skills to use new equipment. What will be nerfed? What will be amped? It could be nerve wracking. There could be lots of Q_Q ` ` over misspent SPs on may 7th when the skillers remorse sets in and the viziam is a POS shell of it's former glory. What to do!? what to do!?
howard sanchez Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 498	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:23:00 - [2] - Quote I plan on treating Dust, post 6May, like a brand new game...because CCP won't tell us what's changing...so everything at this point is unknown. I will try to resist specializing and spending too many skill points prior to understanding how balance issues and new game systems will effect play. So, I expect to have several days to a week of pure, unskilled testing and forum rant research while I assess where the new edge lies.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 104	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:29:00 - [3] - Quote What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X. Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2574	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:30:00 - [4] - Quote I've got a few things I want SOME skills trained into, which I'll definitely be skilling up first thing, but beyond the basics, I want to experiment with Militia versions of almost everything that HAS a Militia variant before I commit to anything.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:32:00 - [5] - Quote Im undecided. My main goal is to be a LAA pilot whenever that happens. I doubt that will come with Uprising but they may speak about it during Fanfest. It all depends on the pilot suits and how that plays out. That being said, Im probably going to wait to see how effective the Assault DS is before specing into that versus HAV.
Rynoceros One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 13	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote I may throw my #3 in there, just to pull some numbers, if the stat reports are too slow or incomplete coming through the wire. (And maybe check some basic mechanics that were wrong before)
Chris F2112 187. 50	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:41:00 - [7] - Quote I'll probably run militia gear to test out some of the new weapons and such. I know relatively what I am going to do because I enjoy the playstyle I currently have, but if a new weapon really appeals to me, I'm not opposed to trying it out.
Hazed2085 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:43:00 - [8] - Quote ill have about 1.5 mill sp. thats going on assult b series complex armour/shield/ might get a weapon then weapon skills
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3523	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:52:00 - [9] - Quote I will be testing heavily before committing to anything, and I have an army of alt accounts collecting passive SP for the purpose of testing.
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 188	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I will be testing heavily before committing to anything, and I have an army of alt accounts collecting passive SP for the purpose of testing. This. I will be playing on an alt for giggles and testing before investing any of the large chunk of SP I have on my main.

Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 69	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:58:00 - [11] - Quote I'll hesitate just long enough to read what all the new skills do and to weigh the pros & cons of the racial stuff.
Paladin Sas Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 12	Posted - 2013.04.22 17:59:00 - [12] - Quote Im an assault troop through and through. i know im gonna get my AR and SMG, but beyond that, i also like to have options. so, after looking into all the new suits (assuming there are any) to see what compliments my play style, ill be moving towards what i feel is the best for me. Im not worried about what the new "edge" is. I wanna see what CCP brings to the table to help me in my chosen role. "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills." - FullMetal Jacket (1987)
SGT Garrisson On The Brink CRONOS. 64	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:01:00 - [13] - Quote im just going to be sensible and put my skill points into the core skills (carefully of course ) as some new core skills are getting added and other probly renamed once thats done i dont know what to do weapon wise i have been undecided this build and have been running with AR lvl 3 and thats it i have been waiting since b4 xmas when scrambler rifle was known to be added due to the fact we didnt know we were getting the re-spec i didnt specilize into a weapon and instead have been saving sp as for the weapon support skills like sharpshooter and reload and capacity there at 5 plus proficency in 1 or 2 of them since now we know we got the respec i spent all my saved sp i guess once core skills are done ill up weapon skills slowly testing on the way if theres no malita scrambler rifle to test b4 investing sp ill need to invest some there so like some others ill have a few mill spare sp for a week or 2
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 269	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:03:00 - [14] - Quote I will check out how badly vehicles have been nerfed and AV buffed if it happens Then i will still skill into vehicles
Paladin Sas Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 12	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:05:00 - [15] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I will check out how badly vehicles have been nerfed and AV buffed if it happens Then i will still skill into vehicles IDK if theres gonna be a nerf/buff, but it may seem like AV getting buffed due to the new AV weapon... i know im gonna play with the plasma cannon some, i mean, come-on, its a bloody PLASMA CANNON
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:07:00 - [16] - Quote worried? just put your points into your passives, better shields/armor,weapon damage/reloads, those kinds of things. you don't have to pick a suit/race/weapon and stick with it to the end of time. this is dust, I have points in every weapon, and 2 suits(soon to be 3) and my passives are good, but not maxed yet(fixing that on may 6th)
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 596	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:21:00 - [17] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X. Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing. I like your attitude, but so far Dust has a small handful of "right" ways to play and millions of "wrong" ways. Stick with whatever the elite guys are currently favoring, because they are definitely not choosing based on their 'preferred roles'. You can build yourself a tightly knit team of unique and complimentary specialists, but a whole squad of full proto AR guys is going to mow you down just the same. (With maybe a heavy, tank, or shotgun scout thrown in there for some semblance of variety.) Personally, I screwed myself over by focusing on SMGs instead of ARs. I've almost fully upgraded them, and still get kills more reliably with an Exile that has no SP investment outside of three levels of LW sharpshooter. Plus, the Swarm Launcher I've been training in tandem with sidearms, is easily outclassed by the high level AV grenades that lots of AR focused mercs carry around. Hopefully this will change after May 6th. Lots of elite corp QQ threads around then would be a good sign.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 471	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:27:00 - [18] - Quote I'll. use alts for testing. But I know for sure I'm goin scouts
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 89	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote I'm going Gallente assault if it's available, right off the bat. It might be terrible, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
Ten Wolves D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 9	Posted - 2013.04.22 18:58:00 - [20] - Quote I'm sticking with the Logistics role. How ever I wont be wasting skill points on LAV's and turrets this time around. I just throw that SP straight into better Logi equipment.

Lasarte Ioni Noob Gaming 87	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:03:00 - [21] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm going Gallente assault if it's available, right off the bat. It might be terrible, but I'll give it a shot anyway. Yeah, i wanna see the amarr version first, but atm gallente assault just for the looks
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 108	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:08:00 - [22] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X. Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing. I like your attitude, but so far Dust has a small handful of "right" ways to play and millions of "wrong" ways. Stick with whatever the elite guys are currently favoring, because they are definitely not choosing based on their 'preferred roles'. You can build yourself a tightly knit team of unique and complimentary specialists, but a whole squad of full proto AR guys is going to mow you down just the same. (With maybe a heavy, tank, or shotgun scout thrown in there for some semblance of variety.) Personally, I screwed myself over by focusing on SMGs instead of ARs. I've almost fully upgraded them, and still get kills more reliably with an Exile that has no SP investment outside of three levels of LW sharpshooter. Plus, the Swarm Launcher I've been training in tandem with sidearms, is easily outclassed by the high level AV grenades that lots of AR focused mercs carry around. Hopefully this will change after May 6th. Lots of elite corp QQ threads around then would be a good sign. I appreciate that you like my attitude though I disagree with your assertion that there is a right way and wrong way to play Dust. I have noticed that most of my deaths are from: 1) being shot in the back; 2) mowed down by a HMG or 3) getting sniped by someone 100's of meters away. It matters little what weapon you are holding (so long as it isn't a Swarm Launcher), the important thing is getting the drop on your adversary. Having everyone run around in the same thing reduces the game to cookie cutter fits, which are absolutely 0 fun to me. I've found that experimenting with fits is a lot of fun DIAF or not. I feel the same way about Eve, I'd rather run around in kitchen sink fleets than in Doctrine fleets. KS Fleets have character and personality to them, D Fleets are just "do as I say or get booted and reset" (at least that is my experience with them). I understand that cookie cutter D Fleets are easier to assemble (from a manufacturing/purchasing POV) and while that does have its merits, it just drains the fun from it. I've used my fair share of SMGs and I find that so long as I am flanking them and aiming high-chest, they go down fairly easily. Aside from that, I try to concentrate fire with squadmates too (never hurts). I have a special golden goblet that I will break out if the 6th does bring those tears (here's hoping).
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 148	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:22:00 - [23] - Quote Im not gonna lie. Im not even going to play the game for a week after the 6th. Im just gonna be waiting here... on the forums reading all the QQ on the weapons and new suits. And i will base my final build off of what is the most effective infantry setup.
Mark0h SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 1	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:26:00 - [24] - Quote Core skills of course. I believe most people are going to be more hesitant about the specific drop suit they are going to use. Like, are you going to be a side-arm using fast shield minmatar assault? Are you going to be a hardened, potent amarr battle medic with the new amarr logi suits? Or maybe the quick, nimble, but squishy caldari logi, able to use a variety of equipment. Shoot, I'm going Amarr. Scrambler rifle Hooo!!
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 91	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:28:00 - [25] - Quote I want to try all the new weapons, so I will be making alts that can at least try up to the standard variations of those. Im very interested in the flaylock pistol though. If its good, I will skill into it as my secondary weapon
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 143	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote The alt idea is great. I never made an alt.. shucks! I see lots of good advice on here, of TL;DR note- 1- Assess your pool of points compared to the skills based on what role you are interested in. 2- Plan to put points into the basic skills first. 3- Then skill up a defensive tank (shield/armor) 4- Finally, skill up a weapon of choice with whatever is left over. If you have more SPs after that, it comes down to skilling a secondary, third, etc. role. I think ^ is a good way to look at the respec. Thanks guys! One thing, I wasn't trying to find where the new edge lie. It's more of a cautionary aspect to the way CCP implements change (see afterburners or missiles or scout speed etc). Also, it wasn't a concern about a role necessarily. I like playing a scout and will most definitely stick with that regardless. It's more of a matter of the specifics of the roles.. such as equipment and weapons involved that may change so significantly you'll find what was worth millions of SPs in this build is not even close to worth it in the next. I doubt there will be any respecs anytime soon, so you want to definitely make sure all the time spent is worthwhile in the way you assign stuff. And for a lot of us, it is a chance to correct mistakes. And heck, I even wasted a lot of SPS in the last three weeks checking out advanced versions of pretty much every weapon... probably only to find stuff has changed. I think these forums will be alive with praise initially, and then the howling will begin as remorse sets in for some.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 163	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:44:00 - [27] - Quote Will be testing everything out at Fanfest Im sure we can reach some sort of deal Your ISK my Advice
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 381	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:49:00 - [28] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X. Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing. This. I'll be a shotgun scout again even if all we get is a double-barrel shotgun with salt shot.
copy left The Wanderer Copy Left 91	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:51:00 - [29] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: Will be testing everything out at Fanfest Im sure we can reach some sort of deal Your ISK my Advice Not when there will be livestreams of the Dust tourny matches anyway. We will get to see it all in glorious HD
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 110	Posted - 2013.04.22 19:53:00 - [30] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: What ever happened to choosing a role and sticking with it? Why should you have to wait to assess "where the new edge lies"? Is that what everyone aside from me does? Is this why we have everyone running around in Heavies or spamming tanks? I keep getting killed by X, it must mean I must switch to using X. Pick a role, learn it inside and out and use it no matter what everyone else is doing. This. I'll be a shotgun scout again even if all we get is a double-barrel shotgun with salt shot. lol that would be epic! Git y'u y'unings offa mah propertah afore I fill yer backsides with da rocksalt!



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