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DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:19:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK0lSJvAgDI
What does everyone think? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:35:00 -
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Thank you protobears for making my paycheck bigger, screw you Aurum bears, you can suck a ****! |
Kane Fyea
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:39:00 -
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I stopped using expensive fits. My main fit costs only 39k isk a pop and I do just fine |
Tarquin Markel
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
101
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:40:00 -
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Proto suits: a very roundabout way of saying, "Please make me wish I'd never met you." |
DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:43:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:I stopped using expensive fits. My main fit costs only 39k isk a pop and I do just fine
My base fit is 56k and 20k of it is complex damage mods. If I only lose 1 or 2 suits, I'm fine. That's usually around how many I lose per game anyways so it's not a big deal. I can't imagine losing over a million ISK in a game just by dying. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
447
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:43:00 -
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The real pros use free fits! |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.04.13 06:06:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:What does everyone think?
I think sneaking up behind a laser armed proto logi, throwing a flux and then slowly shooting throw his insane armor buffer with a tier two HMG is like grinding your own sausage links.
Running into squads of high end gear users is both painfully frustrating and kind of cool. A big part of this game is to reward teamwork so the deck becomes even more stacked when they flock together. I'll admit some schadenfreude for intentionally seeking and using mass drivers or forges on such people over the mission objective.
It would be nice if they had a battle finder game matching system that users could limit the meta level of equipment brought in. Like militia and meta one, up to meta 3, everything and anything. Then give more rewards for the people who braved the higher stakes game. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
275
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:05:00 -
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Only scrubs and tryhards bring out Protosuits and Officer weapons in Pubs. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
132
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:06:00 -
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I been using Proto in the pub matches. I am trying to get through all my Proto Scout suits. The way I see it is I paid for them and I don't plan on being a Scout for much longer might as well go through them get some ISK and buy up Assault suits. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
275
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:10:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I been using Proto in the pub matches. I am trying to get through all my Proto Scout suits. The way I see it is I paid for them and I don't plan on being a Scout for much longer might as well go through them get some ISK and buy up Assault suits.
Wait for the market to open and sell them to me yo. |
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
256
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:23:00 -
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"**** you, tank"
Nice fit name. 
My view on the issue of gear quality: I like how very possible it is to survive and thrive in low tier dropsuits. There are huge benefits to using advanced and prototype dropsuits, but me and my Skinweave logi suit can still end up near the top of most matches.
By contrast, I don't like how it's balanced for vehicles. They are much more gear sensitive than dropsuits. You basically have to field the highest end, most expensive gear to survive in a vehicle. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
297
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:33:00 -
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I run proto gear every game and I profit my least expensive fit is shotgun/militia swarm (HK4M) so both guns are free, 160k or so, my regular fit is 200k. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:36:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The real pros use free fits!
Or pure starter fits.
O yeah. Real men hull tank. |
DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:48:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:"**** you, tank" Nice fit name.
It's actually F Yo Tank, to be said comparable to Rick James's couch tirade on Chappelle's Show.
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Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.04.13 08:48:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Only scrubs and tryhards bring out Protosuits and Officer weapons in Pubs.
Or maybe they just unlocked the ability to use proto/officer gear and want to try it out?
I occasionally field a Boundless or Six Kin, just because they're fun. The one time I tried out a Gastuns Min 7 I Was 18-0 and got sniped, by a Thales.
I agree that those who repeatedly field proto fits must have a screw loose, but I understand the desire to use the best one's SP allows. I look at like betting, when I choose a fit I'm betting on obtaining x number of kills before death, the higher cost fit the more kills I expect before death. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
256
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Posted - 2013.04.13 09:08:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:"**** you, tank" Nice fit name. It's actually F Yo Tank, to be said comparable to Rick James's couch tirade on Chappelle's Show.
Oh. In that case I withdraw my accolades. That skit is entirely over played. It wasn't even particularly funny six or eight years ago when it was new.
BOO THIS MAN! BOO! |
Jebus McKing
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.04.13 09:13:00 -
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I just like using my 128k ISK ADV suit. I'm not doing much more damage, but I can survive many more fights than in my STD suit.
Losing a cheap fit doesn't matter to me, but losing some expensive gear does. And that's what I'm here for. I want every match to matter. I want to pay a hefty price when I lose a suit, and I also want the reward when I'm playing smart and don't die.
I had a pub match two days earlier where I was facing some really good guys from SVER TB and most of them were using proto stuff. That was some really intense game! The top player of SVER TB and myself both went 39/7. I lost 896k in this match but I got 714k ISK from loot alone! So losing that 182k ISK really was worth it for me. |
MarakPS3 Daga
The Trustfund
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Posted - 2013.04.13 12:17:00 -
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You said a lot of what i think too! Nice run aside from that (after watching that im considering trying a heavy out o.0).
A little long winded though lol, just how much of the bowl had you smoked by that point? ;)
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DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 13:56:00 -
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MarakPS3 Daga wrote:You said a lot of what i think too! Nice run aside from that (after watching that im considering trying a heavy out o.0).
A little long winded though lol, just how much of the bowl had you smoked by that point? ;)
I'm in the military, so smoking isn't an option. I was pretty floaty though. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1046
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:30:00 -
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Use whatever gear you feel...you earned them. I prefer players to ge tout of these mlt/std suits.....<$300K/match got old a long time ago |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
208
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Posted - 2013.04.13 14:58:00 -
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Free fits ftw
If only i had them for tanks |
DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:33:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Use whatever gear you feel...you earned them. I prefer players to ge tout of these mlt/std suits.....<$300K/match got old a long time ago
I agree. If you wanna use it, by all means go ahead. My issue with using them is risk vs reward. By using expensive suits, you pretty much eliminate yourself from making ISK in the match, unless you have a beastly game and/or have a Logi and others to help pop you up if you go down.
Also, I've noticed that a lot of Proto users put themselves before the team. If you're using a fitting that costs a couple thousand ISK, you're less likely to push, play the objective, etc. That, IMO, hurts your team more than helps it.
Besides, if you're good enough, you can run free/cheap fits and be just as productive as when you use expensive fits. I'd like to come up with some statistics on the matter, but I haven't used any fits besides my two not-so-expensive fits. I think most solid players will only lose a couple more suits per game, but they'll end up making a kitten ton more ISK and just about the same WP/SP in those games. |
Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
1191
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:41:00 -
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At about the point you said, "just accept the help," you were running away from a logi with a rep tool. I found this amusing and ironic. And peanut butter and jelly? I would have said a heavy+logi combo was something much more delicious, like bacon+eggs, or cookies+milk. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
1691
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Posted - 2013.04.13 16:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Use whatever gear you feel...you earned them. I prefer players to ge tout of these mlt/std suits.....<$300K/match got old a long time ago
CCP has tried to implement a system that is suppose to balance skill, but it does not. For New players and Weekend warriors a restriction on gear would balance a battle more then trying to based on stats in Pubs. Now FW and PC is a different ball game. |
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:06:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Use whatever gear you feel...you earned them. I prefer players to ge tout of these mlt/std suits.....<$300K/match got old a long time ago CCP has tried to implement a system that is suppose to balance skill, but it does not. For New players and Weekend warriors a restriction on gear would balance a battle more then trying to based on stats in Pubs. Now FW and PC is a different ball game.
I think even by putting a restriction on gear, new players would suffer. Having SP put into important skills (FM, Weaponry, Shield Control especially) gives your cheap suit a definite advantage.
The best way I can think of is to have it based on career SP in addition to a price limit on fittings. |
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:09:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:At about the point you said, "just accept the help," you were running away from a logi with a rep tool. I found this amusing and ironic. And peanut butter and jelly? I would have said a heavy+logi combo was something much more delicious, like bacon+eggs, or cookies+milk.
If you watch the minimap and my armor, you'll see that my Logi bailed on me. Even if I wanted to run away, I'm too slow, lol.
And I think peanut butter and jelly is delicious. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:10:00 -
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You have stacks of isk and you want to pump out butthurt rage threads then bring out the proto  |
DS 10
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:15:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:You have stacks of isk and you want to pump out butthurt rage threads then bring out the proto
I hope the intentions of my video were clear. I wasn't bashing proto users. I was just questioning the cost-effectiveness and attitudes of most proto players.
If you wanna burn ISK, go for it bruh. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
155
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:23:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:You have stacks of isk and you want to pump out butthurt rage threads then bring out the proto I hope the intentions of my video were clear. I wasn't bashing proto users. I was just questioning the cost-effectiveness and attitudes of most proto players. If you wanna burn ISK, go for it bruh.
what about players like me who can run 200K+ proto suits every game and still make a profit on every set of 10 suits? |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
160
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:24:00 -
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If people can field it, nothing should stop them, even though it is quite ridiculous seeing Officer Weapons and Sagaris'/Suryas on the battlefield.
Sometimes I wish we could just have a militia gear week, where everyone is restricted to MLT Gear, but for that to happen we would need MLT variants of all weapons to suit all playstyles. |
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virgindestroyer7
Onslaught Inc
31
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:26:00 -
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exile and enforcer suit!!
the highest gear i'll bring out in a pub match is a type 2 and GEK or specialist shotgun. if i am playing with something better its only because i'm trying a new fit on for size.
then again playing vs some players will make me pull out a better suit 
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Posted - 2013.04.13 17:30:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:If people can field it, nothing should stop them, even though it is quite ridiculous seeing Officer Weapons and Sagaris'/Suryas on the battlefield.
Sometimes I wish we could just have a militia gear week, where everyone is restricted to MLT Gear, but for that to happen we would need MLT variants of all weapons to suit all playstyles.
Heavies would be non-existent. I would hate it. Plus, it's nice getting extra ISK from taking out protos and other expensive kittens. |
Logi Bro
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:00:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:At about the point you said, "just accept the help," you were running away from a logi with a rep tool. I found this amusing and ironic. And peanut butter and jelly? I would have said a heavy+logi combo was something much more delicious, like bacon+eggs, or cookies+milk. If you watch the minimap and my armor, you'll see that my Logi bailed on me. Even if I wanted to run away, I'm too slow, lol. And I think peanut butter and jelly is delicious.
You'd be surprised how many heavies sprint away out of my range, since I can't sprint with my rep tool active.
And I think I just thought of the best analogy. Crackers and cheese. Crackers are perfectly fine by themselves, but cheese just adds more flavor, heavies can run by themselves, but a logi can make him much more potent. |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
100
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:08:00 -
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ISK is temporary, but stats are permanent. Until PC is introduced, corp battles are pointless and there isn't any reason to use anything but your best gear in public games if you can afford it. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
128
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:51:00 -
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If every one used advanced or proto gear in pub maches then we would all reap higher isk rewards for the death and destruction we sow on the battlefield. I like running into squads in advanced or proto gear when im touting mine as it tends to be more chalanging and allot more sattisfiing when tour the last merc standing. |
Osiris Ausare
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
31
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:06:00 -
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It really doesn't matter if someone uses proto or not, yes it can be frustrating to see that there is an entire proto squad, but that just makes the match much more interesting (especially if you can free them from some of their proto burden). But the fact is, it comes down to skill, not equipment that wins matches because if this wasn't the case how can militia fit mercs beat proto fit mercs. This is the same complaint of OP weapons, stop complaining, acknowledge you just got wiped all over the floor and pick yourself and make that proto team wish they never brought it out. |
NightEagle11
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
28
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:15:00 -
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Nope drop proto gear 100% of the time |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
383
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:25:00 -
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If I'm with a group, I'll drop P bombs all day. It's rather funny watching other people pull out their proto gear, die a few times, then stop using it. lol. |
loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.04.13 20:53:00 -
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I have a 70k set up and a 3k one. I love killing people with my 3k. It's even more satisfying when you do well and less irritating when you don't. |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
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Posted - 2013.04.13 22:06:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Only scrubs and tryhards bring out Protosuits and Officer weapons in Pubs.
NightEagle11 wrote:Nope drop proto gear 100% of the time
Orin the Freak wrote:If I'm with a group, I'll drop P bombs all day. It's rather funny watching other people pull out their proto gear, die a few times, then stop using it. lol.
Vastly different opinions here.... |
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