DUST Search - Pay to Win?

All Channels

General Discussions

Pay to Win?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:42:00 - [1] - Quote 'HC-130' Gunnlogi - 300 AUR CPU: 380 Gunnlogi - 200,000 ISK CPU: 330 All other attributes the same. I would hope this is an error but right now CCP is really pushing it. Not only do you not need any skills, you get a lot more CPU than even the Sagaris (365 CPU), allowing easier fitting on the CPU side.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 199	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:46:00 - [2] - Quote They are not pay to win Sure you dont need skills to use them but most infantry players who will get these dont have decent turrets and also suck a driving a tank
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:48:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They are not pay to win Sure you dont need skills to use them but most infantry players who will get these dont have decent turrets and also suck a driving a tank It's not the skill that's the issue here, it's the fact that it has a lot more CPU than even the Sagaris. Edit: sure, most infantry that want to get in suck. But then you have experienced drivers that can use real money to gain a fitting advantage.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 199	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:51:00 - [4] - Quote Barely anyting 15CPU If you think it makes a difference then swap the sagaris for the AUR gunlogi and see how well you do with it then
DigiOps DUST University Ivy League 94	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:52:00 - [5] - Quote Eh. I've popped quite a few over the course of the week. They might have more CPU/PG than ISK versions, but the drivers don't seem to know how to fit them.
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.04.07 13:56:00 - [6] - Quote Do you really think they are suddenly going to throw in pay to win? You could cut CCP a bit of slack and simply ask if there was a mistake or something else involved here. CCP has been solid as far as I've seen and I doubt they are going to flip over now.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 37	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:10:00 - [7] - Quote they perform WORSE than standard fits due to not requireing skills to use so your paying to be worse than standard.... Im onay with that concidering how many of them ive blown up and how few of them have killed me
Winscar Shinobi Better Hide R Die 155	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:21:00 - [8] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: they perform WORSE than standard fits due to not requireing skills to use so your paying to be worse than standard.... Im onay with that concidering how many of them ive blown up and how few of them have killed me ..... Pointing out the obvious: someone speced into tanks gets a paid gunlogi, wouldn't that make said tank BETTER than the isk one, as well as allow said tanker to save isk in the process?
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:41:00 - [9] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: they perform WORSE than standard fits due to not requireing skills to use so your paying to be worse than standard.... Im onay with that concidering how many of them ive blown up and how few of them have killed me ..... Pointing out the obvious: someone speced into tanks gets a paid gunlogi, wouldn't that make said tank BETTER than the isk one, as well as allow said tanker to save isk in the process? That's what I was saying exactly
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 23	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote Might just be another honest mistake, like the Viziam Laser Rifle's damage stat.

Skipper Jones ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:48:00 - [11] - Quote Yes, because the CPU difference cause people to win.,What are newbies gonna do with it anyway? The people who don't have the skills won't be able to use turrents, modules, or even know how to drive the tanks. The cpu difference doesn't give a definite advantage. Get over it.
Amorale Lyadstafer Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:49:00 - [12] - Quote Aye mate, it's pay to win. The biggest problem is that you don't need to farm any aur items, you can use them as long as you have visa, where for ISK items you have to save up, and average player won't be able to run in best gear every match.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 421	Posted - 2013.04.07 14:52:00 - [13] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: ..... Pointing out the obvious: someone speced into tanks gets a paid gunlogi, wouldn't that make said tank BETTER than the isk one, as well as allow said tanker to save isk in the process? Hate to point out the obvious, but why would you pay real money for a tank that you will lose, rather than pay in-game currency that you HAVEN'T had to pay for, for a tank that you will lose?
Khamelaya Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:02:00 - [14] - Quote I love people who pay to win, its so much more entertaining when they loose :) Can't wait until we can get more stats on the people we kill, so we can see just how much isk/aur we cost them by melting their face.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2393	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:16:00 - [15] - Quote The same goes for the Creodron and Kaalakiota HAVs, they're officially Militia tanks, but they have a slight edge in fitting capacity - not quite at Gunnlogi/Madrugar level, but still an edge over the regular Militia gear. And yes, when there's an item with Standard stats, but better fitting potential than anything ISK-purchased, that item is pay-to-win. Whether it's a Vehicle Hull/Dropsuit with extra PG/CPU or a Weapon/Module with lower requirements. If the complaints about the Killswitch and Broadside were legitimate while those two guns had lower PG/CPU than the equivalent tier ISK weapons, then the same complaint against these HAVs is also a legitimate one. If the complaints about the few AUR Dropsuit Modules are valid pay-to-win complaints, then so is this. And those WERE and ARE valid complaints, so this is also a valid complaint. Tweaks are needed, either to the new HAVs or the old ones. It's possible - HAVs got a reduction in fitting capabilities on the way into Chromosome - that they're using old values on the new HAVs.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3361	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:20:00 - [16] - Quote I soloed one of those things with isk military tier 1 equipment. They didn't seem that overpowered to me.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 421	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:25:00 - [17] - Quote I think most people who cry P2W have never played a F2P game on a smartphone. Especially an MMO on the smartphone. Or an MMO browser game. Taking, as an example, Mafia Wars on FB. You can pay to buy items for the arena that allow you to hit 5x harder, recover health, etc. That's P2W. Not having a slight advantage which can be nullified by playing smart.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation 1930	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:29:00 - [18] - Quote Like the aurum drop suits, that will get fixed eventually.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2393	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:30:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I soloed one of those things with isk military tier 1 equipment. They didn't seem that overpowered to me. That's because people don't bother refitting them to improve the quality. They've got the potential for better fittings than the equivalent tier of ISK vehicle. Just like someone using the Killswitch used to be able to create a better fitting than someone with an ISK-bought GEK. The Killswitch and Broadside were both fixed, I'll be surprised if this doesn't get the same treatment.
Winscar Shinobi Better Hide R Die 155	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote Laheon wrote: Winscar Shinobi wrote: ..... Pointing out the obvious: someone speced into tanks gets a paid gunlogi, wouldn't that make said tank BETTER than the isk one, as well as allow said tanker to save isk in the process? Hate to point out the obvious, but why would you pay real money for a tank that you will lose, rather than pay in-game currency that you HAVEN'T had to pay for, for a tank that you will lose? Because people will pay for an advantage, even if its a slight one. Ccp finally put the 10% aur damage mod for light weapons back on the market. With the difference from 68/9 down to 45/5 I can fit more stuff on my suits increasing my chances of winning. That extra 46/8 really helps, especially since it doesn't decrease my performance. >.> goes back to using militia suits like a boss

Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 564	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:36:00 - [21] - Quote I just don't get why people are against these kind of minor pay for advantage objects, its not like you've been suckered in with a full priced retail game only to discover its full of micro transactions, besides boosters I don't use any AUR items and I do fine, if someone kills me with AUR gear i feel their kill is diminished and if i kill them, woot real money killed. Loving all these aur tanks getting around, killing a tank in general is great, but an aurum tank feels even better.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 201	Posted - 2013.04.07 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote Put it this way Atm we have skills which benefit both infantry and vehicle (but not for much longer) So most infantry ppl have unlocked the best stuff shield and armor wise so they can fit the tank fairly well, but they lack the skills in turrets and other mods which help the tank The tank drivers already have these skills and can fit it much better than an infantry guy The infantry guy may think its pay to win because the tank requires no skills to use and he may do okay The tank guy will laugh at the infantry guy as he gets wrecked by any proper tanker using the ISK equivelent, the only reason to use the AUR versions are to save a bit more ISK if you are a tank driver Its not pay to win, you can do the same in the ISK equivelent As for the Creadon Breach HAV sure it has 1k more PG but its still 4lows 2 high so you have to fit it correctly and more importantly still drive it right or it will get whacked just as easy if not easier
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2013.04.07 16:41:00 - [23] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: they perform WORSE than standard fits due to not requireing skills to use so your paying to be worse than standard.... Im onay with that concidering how many of them ive blown up and how few of them have killed me Well, actually since they didn't have to spend SP on Caldari/Gallente HAV Control, they could actually have more SP to put into turrets/modules/etc. skills.


Pages: [1] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.