DUST Search - Why is there no hull/suit integerity meter?

Rei Shepard wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Back in the day of EVE, hull tanking was a viable thing.
But people didn't use it, for a simple reason.
Both shield and armor tanking give you a buffer before you die, having room for error, hull however makes it so if you make a mistake you lose the ship.

A few years have passed, and CCP has abandoned support for hull modules because nobody uses it.

Now they are making the same mistake in Dust with armor.
The reason I use shields is because they give me a buffer, I use armor as time to get into cover.
They also recharge much quicker, but that's another story and it seems they have fixed that somewhat with Uprising.
Whenever I use Armor, its far more risky, as a single mistake and I'm dead much faster, with a lot less room for error.
Its still viable, but just like hull tanking far back, people didn't use it because of the higher risk.

I cannot speak for vehicles, as I only used a Militia tank for ***** and giggles, but I assume its much the same.

The Orca industrial Capital ship is still the best being hull tanked due to its enormous amount of structure, trying to Shield or Armor tank it will fail in case you get mobbed somewhere.

Just putting on a Damage Control II boosts it effective HP up to 200.000 EHP...

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Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 385	Posted - 2013.04.05 16:51:00 - [1] - Quote Back in the day of EVE, hull tanking was a viable thing. But people didn't use it, for a simple reason. Both shield and armor tanking give you a buffer before you die, having room for error, hull however makes it so if you make a mistake you lose the ship. A few years have passed, and CCP has abandoned support for hull modules because nobody uses it. Now they are making the same mistake in Dust with armor. The reason I use shields is because they give me a buffer, I use armor as time to get into cover. They also recharge much quicker, but that's another story and it seems they have fixed that somewhat with Uprising. Whenever I use Armor, its far more risky, as a single mistake and I'm dead much faster, with a lot less room for error. Its still viable, but just like hull tanking far back, people didn't use it because of the higher risk. I cannot speak for vehicles, as I only used a Militia tank for ***** and giggles, but I assume its much the same.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 12	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:23:00 - [2] - Quote Your hull is your body. If that's getting hit, you are having problems. The weapons in dust are designed to be hugely destructive, and the dropsuits to be hugely protective. When the protection of your dropsuit is stripped away, any weapon is going to shred your body.
Bones McGavins Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage.
Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 385	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:29:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Your hull is your body. If that's getting hit, you are having problems. The weapons in dust are designed to be hugely destructive, and the dropsuits to be hugely protective. When the protection of your dropsuit is stripped away, any weapon is going to shred your body. If your suit was 100% armor behind the shields, then the suit should be gone once the armor goes down. But it doesn't. That means there is another layer under the armor, the suit itself. You have to put gameplay before realism.
Sobriety Denied FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 524	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote armor training mulitpliers are way lower than shield. it's much easier/quicker to skill up armor tanking and be viable on the field as a newer player. shield is seemingly more higher tech and takes more time to develop, skilling up shields to early is mistake imo also when friendly fire turns on an all armor squad could go in spamming flux and EMP orbitals without worrying about friendly fire
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:44:00 - [6] - Quote mabye because your a human being (kind of) and not a ship which actually has a hull.
Valkreena Haederox Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:46:00 - [7] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage. It seems like that happens more often than you would expect too.
Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 408	Posted - 2013.04.06 09:15:00 - [8] - Quote Valkreena Haederox wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage. It seems like that happens more often than you would expect too. Also, hull damage in this case would be your kidney getting vaporized by a blast of high energy plasma. That's not really the sort of thing you can "tank". The suit doesn't fall apart when you don't have armor. That means armor is just another layer. I doubt what's behind the armor is paper mache.
Mithridates VI DUST 411 653	Posted - 2013.04.06 09:18:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Valkreena Haederox wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage. It seems like that happens more often than you would expect too. Also, hull damage in this case would be your kidney getting vaporized by a blast of high energy plasma. That's not really the sort of thing you can "tank". The suit doesn't fall apart when you don't have armor. That means armor is just another layer. I doubt what's behind the armor is paper mache. I am somewhat doubtful that "0 health 0 armor" represents a compromised suit. Once the suit is compromised, you're exposed to a planet which we have no guarantee supports life at all.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 123	Posted - 2013.04.06 09:19:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Back in the day of EVE, hull tanking was a viable thing. But people didn't use it, for a simple reason. Both shield and armor tanking give you a buffer before you die, having room for error, hull however makes it so if you make a mistake you lose the ship. A few years have passed, and CCP has abandoned support for hull modules because nobody uses it. Now they are making the same mistake in Dust with armor. The reason I use shields is because they give me a buffer, I use armor as time to get into cover. They also recharge much quicker, but that's another story and it seems they have fixed that somewhat with Uprising. Whenever I use Armor, its far more risky, as a single mistake and I'm dead much faster, with a lot less room for error. Its still viable, but just like hull tanking far back, people didn't use it because of the higher risk. I cannot speak for vehicles, as I only used a Militia tank for ***** and giggles, but I assume its much the same. The Orca industrial Capital ship is still the best being hull tanked due to its enormous amount of structure, trying to Shield or Armor tank it will fail in case you get mobbed somewhere. Just putting on a Damage Control II boosts it effective HP up to 200.000 EHP...

Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 408	Posted - 2013.04.06 09:27:00 - [11] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Back in the day of EVE, hull tanking was a viable thing. But people didn't use it, for a simple reason. Both shield and armor tanking give you a buffer before you die, having room for error, hull however makes it so if you make a mistake you lose the ship. A few years have passed, and CCP has abandoned support for hull modules because nobody uses it. Now they are making the same mistake in Dust with armor. The reason I use shields is because they give me a buffer, I use armor as time to get into cover. They also recharge much quicker, but that's another story and it seems they have fixed that somewhat with Uprising. Whenever I use Armor, its far more risky, as a single mistake and I'm dead much faster, with a lot less room for error. Its still viable, but just like hull tanking far back, people didn't use it because of the higher risk. I cannot speak for vehicles, as I only used a Militia tank for ***** and giggles, but I assume its much the same. The Orca industrial Capital ship is still the best being hull tanked due to its enormous amount of structure, trying to Shield or Armor tank it will fail in case you get mobbed somewhere. Just putting on a Damage Control II boosts it effective HP up to 200.000 EHP... Heh, that is like the only exception. Actually I think Hull tanking the Megathron might be viable. Or maybe hull tanking is so outdated because a lot of modules are missing, that it isn't anymore.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 190	Posted - 2013.04.06 10:13:00 - [12] - Quote I find it the tother way around Make a mistake with a shield tank and you are ****, sure its got speed on its side but if you got no repper and your hardners are used up you are relying on passive and 1 SL is enough to strip the shield of you, if its a FG your about ****. Armor on the shield tank is about 1k which isnt much and can get whacked by anything you cannot afford to let your shield tank get below 1k in shields With armor your hardners/rep run longer and rep more back plus is over a period of time so if you get hit your rep makes up for it and by the time you hit top speed you should be safe. In general it soaks up more damage and allows more mistakes
Cat Merc OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 410	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:05:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I find it the tother way around Make a mistake with a shield tank and you are ****, sure its got speed on its side but if you got no repper and your hardners are used up you are relying on passive and 1 SL is enough to strip the shield of you, if its a FG your about ****. Armor on the shield tank is about 1k which isnt much and can get whacked by anything you cannot afford to let your shield tank get below 1k in shields With armor your hardners/rep run longer and rep more back plus is over a period of time so if you get hit your rep makes up for it and by the time you hit top speed you should be safe. In general it soaks up more damage and allows more mistakes Still, if it was armor then you won't even have 1k, you would just be dead.
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 404	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:41:00 - [14] - Quote only real men hull tank.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:58:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Valkreena Haederox wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage. It seems like that happens more often than you would expect too. Also, hull damage in this case would be your kidney getting vaporized by a blast of high energy plasma. That's not really the sort of thing you can "tank". The suit doesn't fall apart when you don't have armor. That means armor is just another layer. I doubt what's behind the armor is paper mache. Might as well be: Take a bullet proof vest, then remove the kevlar to represent 0 armour. The vest doesn't fall apart but I doubt you'll want to be shot while wearing it.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.04.06 12:09:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I find it the tother way around Make a mistake with a shield tank and you are ****, sure its got speed on its side but if you got no repper and your hardners are used up you are relying on passive and 1 SL is enough to strip the shield of you, if its a FG your about ****. Armor on the shield tank is about 1k which isnt much and can get whacked by anything you cannot afford to let your shield tank get below 1k in shields With armor your hardners/rep run longer and rep more back plus is over a period of time so if you get hit your rep makes up for it and by the time you hit top speed you should be safe. In general it soaks up more damage and allows more mistakes Still, if it was armor then you won't even have 1k, you would just be dead. Wrong With hardners running even if i have 1k left it soaks up the damage and i can escape but also i tend to let that happen and have my rep going also while i move, even withoyut a rep i have escaped due to the resistances i have going With a shield tank you could have 1k shield and 1k armor problem is your hardners would have already been used up and same with your booster meaning you have nothing left except passive to rely on
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 125	Posted - 2013.04.06 17:25:00 - [17] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: You technically can survive with 0 armor and 0 shields. So you have a tiny sliver of "hull" damage. I always refer to it as stripping them down to their thong.


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