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Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 141	Posted - 2013.04.04 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote Gunnlogi - 683k ISK HIGHS 1x Heavy Azeotropic Shield Extender 2x Azeotropic Shield Extenders 1x Heavy Clarity Ward Shield Booster 1x 'Surge' Shield Reinforcement LOWS 2x PG Expansion Unit I TURRETS 20GJ Scattered Blaster Militia MT-1 Missile Launcher 80GJ Scattered Blaster (I'll have enough SP to upgrade soon) OTHER INFO Total Shield - 6540HP (With 'Surge' Active - 8502HP) Total Armour - 1149HP PG - 2588/2588 CPU - 372/379 APPROPRIATE SKILLS Circuitry - Lvl 3 Combat Engineering - Lvl 4 PG Upgrades - Lvl 2 Shield Adaption - Lvl 1 Shield Boost Systems - Lvl 4 Shield Control - Lvl 2 Shield Enhancements - Lvl 3 I have tested it and have managed to take out some tanks, if I get the jump on them. I still dont think its at its full potential, due to low shield, PG and CPU skills. I'm just wondering, is this a good fit for the price it costs and if not is there a way to improve it?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 81	Posted - 2013.04.04 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote shield hardeners have a really low active time so i go with a passive one. one idea you might want to try is replace one of the low extenders for a booster. i myself run a passive heat sink in my low slot but i also have pg upgrades 4. the only other thing would suggest is sp in missiles to replace the militia one for a cycled one for the front small turret if plan on keeping to that setup. oh and if you plan on staying shield max out combat engineering.
Eris Ernaga HAV Deployment Organization 89	Posted - 2013.04.05 01:56:00 - [3] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Gunnlogi - 683k ISK HIGHS 1x Heavy Azeotropic Shield Extender 2x Azeotropic Shield Extenders 1x Heavy Clarity Ward Shield Booster 1x 'Surge' Shield Reinforcement LOWS 2x PG Expansion Unit I TURRETS 20GJ Scattered Blaster Militia MT-1 Missile Launcher 80GJ Scattered Blaster (I'll have enough SP to upgrade soon) OTHER INFO Total Shield - 6540HP (With 'Surge' Active - 8502HP) Total Armour - 1149HP PG - 2588/2588 CPU - 372/379 APPROPRIATE SKILLS Circuitry - Lvl 3 Combat Engineering - Lvl 4 PG Upgrades - Lvl 2 Shield Adaption - Lvl 1 Shield Boost Systems - Lvl 4 Shield Control - Lvl 2 Shield Enhancements - Lvl 3 I have tested it and have managed to take out some tanks, if I get the jump on them. I still dont think its at its full potential, due to low shield, PG and CPU skills. I'm just wondering, is this a good fit for the price it costs and if not is there a way to improve it? You still need a lot of work it's not always smartest to stack so many hp mods you want to make sure u can repair all that shield.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 141	Posted - 2013.04.05 02:09:00 - [4] - Quote Yea, I'm new to tank fitting, I upgraded to an 80GJ Neutron Blaster and swapped out the MLT Missile turret for a Basic one. Might try getting rid of one Shield Extender and add another Booster, just to test it out. Thanks for the tips.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD 314	Posted - 2013.04.05 02:11:00 - [5] - Quote If you are intent on keeping the high shields without a booster to repair them you will be forced back to base until the very slow regen can get you back to health. However, a Squad mate that has a Shield Transporter equipped LAV would be a benefit. Beware that once Anybody realizes why the LAV is trailing you the LAV Will be taken out. Then the hunt for your non-repairing HAV will be on in earnest.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 141	Posted - 2013.04.05 13:46:00 - [6] - Quote I've changed some things around and have updated the OP with the new stats and fits.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 46	Posted - 2013.04.05 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote I guess I'll join you tomorrow as I myself have only 10 games worth of experience in tanks even though I started my training earlier than you :p
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 183	Posted - 2013.04.05 15:12:00 - [8] - Quote Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 141	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:16:00 - [9] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance. Oh, in that case I'll switch it out. Does the same apply to Active Shield Reinforcers?
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 184	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:32:00 - [10] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: 0 Try Harder wrote: Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance. Oh, in that case I'll switch it out. Does the same apply to Active Shield Reinforcers? Nope, active work on the whole tank. I made a mistake earlier about them not a long time ago, sorry about any confusion ^_^

Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 141	Posted - 2013.04.05 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: 0 Try Harder wrote: Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance. Oh, in that case I'll switch it out. Does the same apply to Active Shield Reinforcers? Nope, active work on the whole tank. I made a mistake earlier about them not a long time ago, sorry about any confusion ^_^ Atleast I found out before throwing it in against another tank. Thanks.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 83	Posted - 2013.04.05 18:03:00 - [12] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance. really? because is seems to be fixed now. the passive mods work better for me then the active mods unless i do something dumb like exposing my backside of the tank to av then it just doesn't matter.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 185	Posted - 2013.04.05 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote ladwar wrote: 0 Try Harder wrote: Don't use passive shield resistance mods on tanks because they are terrible. They only work on the hull of the tank. Shield extenders do not get the extra resistance. really? because is seems to be fixed now. the passive mods work better for me then the active mods unless i do something dumb like exposing my backside of the tank to av then it just doesn't matter. Liked! Yes, we have been hoping that they will change it. From the last tests that were done, it was still the same (ie passive only worked on hull.) You should totally test it out for us xD. For now I'm just going to use the last set of correct data, which said that passive did not work on shield extenders until I get hard evidence that it has changed. I may or may not switch, we shall see! Right now I love my shield tank fits. They are awesome for CB tank v tank fights, but not so good at pub stomping. I just finished my CB tank skills (lol @ 7.5+mil sp 0_0) but soon I'll make a pub stomping tank. I believe small turrets also had a ninja buff recently. I do not know if it has to do with how they fire, controls, view, or stats, but it seems like they are better than they once were. They still have terrible hit detection, but hopefully that will change in the future.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 88	Posted - 2013.04.06 00:08:00 - [14] - Quote well i have done some testing and i would say that it has been fixed to include extenders.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 192	Posted - 2013.04.07 04:58:00 - [15] - Quote ladwar wrote: well i have done some testing and i would say that it has been fixed to include extenders. I'm doing tests atm, I have to take a break for a bit, but would you mind posting your numbers please? I did a few tests but forgot a control... lol >.< I was trying to analyze my data and was like ???????
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 91	Posted - 2013.04.07 06:34:00 - [16] - Quote militia swarm not modded vs 3 11% did 625~ damage when topped off. militia FG vs 3 11% did 850~ damage. test were on a gunnlogi with three 11% passives mods had nearly the same with only the active mods but it was a bit harder to test out. ending statement easier with passive to manage rather then active mods but the active mods would help incase of surpise obital, ie sniper tanking, due to more reduced damage when stacked in their short 10 second active time.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 37	Posted - 2013.04.07 07:18:00 - [17] - Quote Try Harder please stop telling people that passive resists only effect base shields, its not true Your findings only mean that you have NO IDEA how to calculate what the damage weapons are putting out should be VS what they are putting out we have no idea how to properly calculate the damage, becaseuw e simply do not have access to that information and all the numbers we can use are off slightly do to broken mechanics (damage mod stacking being only one of said mechanics) Passive mods work on the ENTIRE shields and always have
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 201	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:12:00 - [18] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=677158 Trying to get a CCP Dev to explain how it works, but as of right now I would not count on the passive resist mod working on the entire shield.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 37	Posted - 2013.04.08 09:10:00 - [19] - Quote we currently dont have a way to properly calculate how much damage a weapon is supposed to be doing. so ALL of our math is guarenteed to be wrong ad we cant do anything about it, especially concidering how many broken mechanics are involved. It works on the whole shield. i cant stress this enough. its the weapon damage calculations that are off, and CPP knows this, all of us know this. amps applying to the whole shield is how it works in eve, wich is the same programming and base they brought over to dust every core mechanic as far as how mods/skills and fits are involved is a carbon copy of eve online. Ill go ove rot your thread and start combing over the data and illd come back with a few ways to prove this to you
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 99	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:14:00 - [20] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: we currently dont have a way to properly calculate how much damage a weapon is supposed to be doing. so ALL of our math is guarenteed to be wrong ad we can't do anything about it, especially concidering how many broken mechanics are involved. It works on the whole shield. i can't stress this enough. it's the weapon damage calculations that are off, and CCP knows this, all of us know this. amps applying to the whole shield is how it works in eve, which is the same programming and base they brought over to dust every core mechanic as far as how mods/skills and fits are involved is a carbon copy of eve online. I'll go over to your thread and start combing over the data and i'll come back with a few ways to prove this to you there fixed it for ya

Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 38	Posted - 2013.04.08 10:47:00 - [21] - Quote ladwar wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: we currently dont have a way to properly calculate how much damage a weapon is supposed to be doing. so ALL of our math is guarenteed to be wrong ad we can't do anything about it, especially concidering how many broken mechanics are involved. It works on the whole shield. i can't stress this enough. it's the weapon damage calculations that are off, and CCP knows this, all of us know this. amps applying to the whole shield is how it works in eve, which is the same programming and base they brought over to dust every core mechanic as far as how mods/skills and fits are involved is a carbon copy of eve online. I'll go over to your thread and start combing over the data and i'll come back with a few ways to prove this to you there fixed it for ya thanks, and you missed a few corrections, if you going to correct peoples posts at least put a little effort into it. although not to bad, can you do that with all my posts please? it would be greatly apreciated and crappy editing is still better than none. (thats not sarcasim)
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 202	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:00:00 - [22] - Quote ladwar wrote: there fixed it for ya lol thx ^_^ I really do need to do more tests to get a definite answer, but hopefully a dev can just give me one xD
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 151	Posted - 2013.04.27 08:50:00 - [23] - Quote Replace your light clarity ward booster with a surge hardener.


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