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Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 294	Posted - 2013.04.03 09:39:00 - [1] - Quote Although I think some people have known about this for a few weeks now I wanted to hear it for myself so I asked CCP Wolfman if the damage mods are working correctly and he confirmed them to be fine, the only problem was that the UI does not show the correct values when stacking them. (10:15:27)Musta_Tornius>bleh gonna try a different question then [CCP]Wolfman, when you got a skill such as sharpshooter and sharpshooter proficiency, when calculating their total bonus is it the multiplicity that give the correct value or addition? (10:16:02)Mith>Hopefully the item sheet they release comes with a stat FAQ. (10:16:15)Musta_Tornius>I thought they might be special as they kind of build on one another (10:16:24)Musta_Tornius>so they'd have a base stat that is used for calculations (10:17:05)[CCP]Wolfman>yes they are (10:17:10)[CCP]Wolfman>the UI is incorrect (10:18:09)[CCP]Wolfman>it's a multiply (10:18:18)[CCP]Wolfman>not a flat range boost So there you have it, old news maybe but at least it's out there now.
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 23	Posted - 2013.04.03 11:18:00 - [2] - Quote Thanks, i was looking for that confirmation
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 405	Posted - 2013.04.03 11:40:00 - [3] - Quote As we've been saying for a couple of weeks. Do you not trust us?! It would make sense for both EVE and DUST to run on the same basic mechanics, including how modifiers work, and stacking penalties. Edit: <----------- My likes aren't found.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 89	Posted - 2013.04.03 12:03:00 - [4] - Quote So we need a fix on the laser rifles then
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 368	Posted - 2013.04.03 12:24:00 - [5] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: So we need a fix on the laser rifles then This.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1117	Posted - 2013.04.03 12:30:00 - [6] - Quote No stacking penalty on the sharpshooter skills. This dev response cannot be mapped to the damage mods and considered correct.
Repe Susi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 327	Posted - 2013.04.03 12:31:00 - [7] - Quote Damage mods? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE I AM CONFUSED?!
Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 294	Posted - 2013.04.03 12:31:00 - [8] - Quote Oh lol I copy pasted the wrong response, hold on a sec and I'll get it right. (10:11:36)Musta_Tornius>ooh seeing as you're here I'm gonna try again :P [CCP]Wolfman are damage mod stacking penalties in effect? (10:11:58)Mith>IRC is especially dangerous for you Wolfman. (10:12:20)Mith>So many questions on the gear we're using. (10:12:36)Musta_Tornius>should just do massive FAQs on everything (10:13:48)YosefAutaal>is quiet because im currently watching the q&a from yesterday cus i missed it (10:14:05)Musta_Tornius>is there a public link YosefAutaal ? (10:15:01)YosefAutaal>http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/385675642 (10:15:27)Musta_Tornius>bleh gonna try a different question then [CCP]Wolfman, when you got a skill such as sharpshooter and sharpshooter proficiency, when calculating their total bonus is it the multiplicity that give the correct value or addition? (10:16:02)Mith>Hopefully the item sheet they release comes with a stat FAQ. (10:16:15)Musta_Tornius>I thought they might be special as they kind of build on one another (10:16:24)Musta_Tornius>so they'd have a base stat that is used for calculations (10:17:05)[CCP]Wolfman>yes they are (10:17:10)[CCP]Wolfman>the UI is incorrec (10:31:30)Musta_Tornius>can I ask, have the damage mods been working correctly since closed beta? (10:31:33)[CCP]Wolfman>getting a bit more tuning (10:31:53)Mib_Torq>Are there any video-clips released of the flaylock? (10:31:59)Musta_Tornius>Quite funny how all the raging and crying was down to a perceived problem if so :) (10:32:03) Fuzzysteve joined (10:32:08)* Musta_Tornius shaves Fuzzysteve (10:32:16)[CCP]Wolfman>I double checked the infantry mods and they looked just fine (10:32:24)[CCP]Wolfman>the number in the UI is not however (10:32:28)[CCP]Wolfman>that is incorrect (10:32:47)Musta_Tornius>goodie good There ya go the full convo which shows his response properly.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2366	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:44:00 - [9] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Damage mods? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE I AM CONFUSED?! Damage mods are meant to have stacking penalties. According to the fitting screen, they don't. A lot of people have been assuming that means they're not being applied in-game.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 246	Posted - 2013.04.03 14:56:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Damage mods? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE I AM CONFUSED?! Damage mods are meant to have stacking penalties. According to the fitting screen, they don't. A lot of people have been assuming that means they're not being applied in-game. A lot of people assume stupid kitten droppings. I laugh at all the crybabies who now have to find a new scapegoat.

Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 716	Posted - 2013.04.03 15:01:00 - [11] - Quote FIrst players cried because prototype suits were clearly better than other suits in terms of raw hit points. They just had more. That was changed. Devs specifically stated that they wanted to give players a reason to use modules more. Now prototype suits have the same shield and armor as lower tier suits, the only advantage they offer is the ability to add modules. Players added more modules to prototype suits than they could to other suits and immediately began to cry again. Perhaps they were crying about nothing more than a perceived advantage that never really existed. But they sure did cry. Because different weapons kill in different ways. And different modules do different things, and the more you can use the more you can do. But it does look like players wont't stop crying until all the gear is exactly the same. And then they will start crying because all of the gear is the same. Why get involved in a game that is made by a company that makes lots and lots of different kinds of gear for their players if all you are going to do is throw constant tantrums and argue non stop that all the differences between gear must be eradicated because it just isn't fair!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1070	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:28:00 - [12] - Quote Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 32	Posted - 2013.04.03 17:40:00 - [13] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward. What kind of crackpot logic is this? So because everybody has an iphone instead of an Android the Iphone needs a nerf?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1070	Posted - 2013.04.03 19:23:00 - [14] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward. What kind of crackpot logic is this? So because everybody has an iphone instead of an Android the Iphone needs a nerf? If we were playing "Cell Phones: The Game" then yes, absolutely.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3318	Posted - 2013.04.03 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnUM Public Relations wrote: So we need a fix on the laser rifles then The Viziam laser rifle has an incorrect damage, Wolfman said before in IRC that the Viziam like all laser rifles should have 15 base damage, and not 20. Its fixed in Uprising.
Mithridates VI Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 588	Posted - 2013.04.03 20:20:00 - [16] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward. Your options for high slots are "do you want shields or damage buff with that today?" I don't think it's reasonable to see a lot of people using one of the two useful options and decide that the option is excessively powerful.
Musta Tornius BetaMax. CRONOS. 295	Posted - 2013.04.03 20:50:00 - [17] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward. Your options for high slots are "do you want shields or damage buff with that today?" I don't think it's reasonable to see a lot of people using one of the two useful options and decide that the option is excessively powerful. Indeed, it's just like calling assault rifle op because it's the go to weapon for most people, even though it's fairly balanced now.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 717	Posted - 2013.04.04 05:07:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Aighun, when almost every person you talk to use the same module, that module needs tweaked downward. People will often follow trends and do what they perceive will give them an advantage. I thing the double or triple complex damage mod fad had more to do with a module placebo effect than the actual damage boost the modules were giving to weapons. I think it was appealing because players perceived that they were getting a special deal using a "broken" mechanic, but this thread is about how that wasn't the case. Not about how complex damage modules are in need of some sort of tweaking. And only the displayed multiplier was inaccurate. And the stacking penalty has been in effect this whole time. There is no way that game makers can force people to diversify in a game when players latch onto something and all start using it. Anecdotal evidence of many people using the same module doesn't prove anything other than you may have talked to a number of people who were using the same module. That does not show it is better than any other option or in need of adjustment.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1204	Posted - 2013.04.04 11:51:00 - [19] - Quote cool so my sagaris railgun that deals 5000HP damage is working as intended? No further questions.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 461	Posted - 2013.04.04 11:58:00 - [20] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: cool so my sagaris railgun that deals 5000HP damage is working as intended? No further questions. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=606234#post606234 There are mainly problems with the passive bonuses and not the damage mods.



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