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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:23:00 -
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Kills, Deaths and War Points have not been updated consistently since ~February 28th.
Comparing anything on the Leader Boards is a waste of time Unless the comparison is restricted to those Mercs/Players/Contacts/Corps that Only Play Ambush.
May Is Coming
Since little to nothing has happened to all the complaints, concerns and Forum Postings the best solution is to simply ignore Kills, Deaths and WP; Which would include the Leader Boards. This would have the additional benefit of removing the ridiculous ratios from those with less than fifty kills.
The other option is to clean up the situation that has gone on with virtually no response, reaction, claims, disclaimers or solution from any CCP Continent for over a month. A resolution at this late date seems unlikely, establishing that SP, ISK and AUR matters while ignoring anything else will require significantly less effort. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:28:00 -
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I've gotta second this.
The leaderboards have always been silly because they measure the wrong things. The Skirmish Bug then skews the few stats it does measure to the point of uselessness.
Let's lose the overall leaderboards (not the after-battle report) until they can be fixed and start measuring something useful.
Better yet, let's just make the stats available through the API so that Chribba and others can provide full-featured leaderboards instead of waiting for CCP to put manpower into something that is, in reality, not central to the game. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:28:00 -
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Are you mad you are not on the Leader Board? I'm not, but thats because I'm bad. Not Terribad, but bad.
Maybe we can be on the Bad Board together. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
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Posted - 2013.04.03 03:57:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Are you mad you are not on the Leader Board? I'm not, but thats because I'm bad. Not Terribad, but bad.
Maybe we can be on the Bad Board together. The Leader Boards do not matter much to me personally. I will never be able to spend that much time to be there and I seriously doubt that I could ever approach some of those that operate near the top.
The Bad Boards would certainly be a humorous addition but my actual concern is that May Is Coming and we have a Possible sort-of, almost, maybe something like a release that will raise the expectations of not only the Beta community but Real Players that are expecting a more finished game.
I started playing because of the RPG aspects of DUST. I am continuing because of the online community is more enjoyable than my brief encounters with CoD or BF3 (through children and grand-children). The normal FPS player, however, will expect a more complete game and that appears to include accurate Stats. Whether that is for bragging rights, group ratings or personal growth doesn't really matter to me. I strongly suspect it will matter to FPS players joining DUST after May 6th.
My current Stats list ~342K WP. Which I Know is inaccurate. This character's KD/R is not good but it is very difficult to care At All when a sequence of positive results result in SP, ISK and nothing else. Clone Depletion is not the standard Skirmish ending and yet Skirmish is the mode I enjoy the most. This has been very frustrating personally and the OP was me just giving up. I will stay with DUST, unless they break it horribly after May, but many from other games would be best warned that features do not work that should work.
So, Remove The Leader Boards. Or ... fix the stats. Or give us the API so someone Else can actually do it and do it correctly. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:47:00 -
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mines been updating so i dunno tough luck? fix the stats to what they are, yea sure im not too worried about it, its just a number to me. fix the stats is the best way to go about it for thoose who like to have large "e-peen" removing it would just be wrong. right now its possible to rig most of the numbers like k/d and w/l which is why i don't care i if they fix it. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
309
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Posted - 2013.04.03 04:59:00 -
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ladwar wrote:mines been updating so i dunno tough luck? fix the stats to what they are, yea sure im not too worried about it, its just a number to me. fix the stats is the best way to go about it for thoose who like to have large "e-peen" removing it would just be wrong. right now its possible to rig most of the numbers like k/d and w/l which is why i don't care i if they fix it. What battle types are you playing? |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
577
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:19:00 -
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The skirmish stat tracking bug is being fixed with the new build.
All current indications are that historical stats will not be reimbursed. My feeling is that, if going forward the leaderboard will work, it needs to be reset alongside the skill respec. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
309
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:41:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:The skirmish stat tracking bug is being fixed with the new build.
All current indications are that historical stats will not be reimbursed. My feeling is that, if going forward the leaderboard will work, it needs to be reset alongside the skill respec. I enjoy your optimistic viewpoint. And I hope it is valid.
However, I am a cynic as well as a retired Software Engineer. The consistent lack of response, the mishandling of so many, many problems and the cavalier attitude CCP has in general to DUST bothers me. Yet another SP wipe without the actual wipe but they will wipe all the stats because ... they don't have them in the first place? Or is it simply Too Hard.
What are these indications of which you speak?
There are none that I have found. What little I did find indicated that they seem surprised that there was even a problem when there is no way in Kitten's Litter Box that Any QA department of any reasonable quality in the world could have missed this. How hard can it be to finish a battle and notice that the results weren't tracking? I scoff at the mere idea of it. That level of QA means there is Effectively No QA.
However, ranting aside, resetting the Leader Boards will produce some entertaining results. Considering that the stats don't work and there is no indication that they can solve the problem my suggestion remains the same. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
577
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Posted - 2013.04.03 05:56:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:
What are these indications of which you speak?
There are none that I have found. What little I did find indicated that they seem surprised that there was even a problem when there is no way in Kitten's Litter Box that Any QA department of any reasonable quality in the world could have missed this. How hard can it be to finish a battle and notice that the results weren't tracking? I scoff at the mere idea of it. That level of QA means there is Effectively No QA.
However, ranting aside, resetting the Leader Boards will produce some entertaining results. Considering that the stats don't work and there is no indication that they can solve the problem my suggestion remains the same.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=654382#post654382
I updated the bug tracking thread at the time this was posted so that anyone who was following the issue would know.
The indications that there will be no reimbursement are my asking [CCP] Nullarbor directly "will there be a reimbursement?" on two occasions and on both being told it was not likely. I was told that it was possible but that it didn't seem likely they would do so. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
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Posted - 2013.04.03 07:28:00 -
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ladwar wrote:mines been updating so i dunno tough luck? fix the stats to what they are, yea sure im not too worried about it, its just a number to me. fix the stats is the best way to go about it for thoose who like to have large "e-peen" removing it would just be wrong. right now its possible to rig most of the numbers like k/d and w/l which is why i don't care i if they fix it. Verified that it is still broken in Skirmish with and without Clone Depletion as of 0702 GMT April 3, 2013.
It is functioning as it has been since Feb 28. Stats in Ambush works while stats in Skirmish only works with the winning condition is Clone Depletion. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
78
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Posted - 2013.04.03 07:45:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:ladwar wrote:mines been updating so i dunno tough luck? fix the stats to what they are, yea sure im not too worried about it, its just a number to me. fix the stats is the best way to go about it for thoose who like to have large "e-peen" removing it would just be wrong. right now its possible to rig most of the numbers like k/d and w/l which is why i don't care i if they fix it. What battle types are you playing?
both and both still update for me. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
311
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Posted - 2013.04.03 08:38:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote: -- snip of CCP Bug Updates info and a thread URL ---
The indications that there will be no reimbursement are my asking [CCP] Nullarbor directly "will there be a reimbursement?" on two occasions and on both being told it was not likely. I was told that it was possible but that it didn't seem likely they would do so. Yes, I saw the posting. A shame it took a month for the words to get typed out. 
I doubted they would do updates for the totals frankly. One would presume battle logs of some kind would be in existence. They would enable a significant amount of after the fact debugging as well as fixing something like this. The comment you reference makes me suspect that such a thing doesn't exist.
Which makes me think that a proper API needs to be available very soon. If they are unable to maintain something as simple as battle logs then third party solutions would fill the gap. Basic information is lacking besides K/D/WP such as knowing how much a battle cost and the profit/loss from each.
Anyway, thanks for the news. |
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