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Drake435
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:15:00 -
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I've been playing around with this type of AR for the whole day and I've found this gun quite amusing. However, its range is TERRIBAD. I'd say its worse than a standard AR....(I was using a Creodron BTW).
So, if we crank up the range of this gun up....A LOT....no other buff is needed. The 36 clip is fine for me since I killed a proto and a heavy in just one. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:19:00 -
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Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:22:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless.
I'd just like to point out the whole idea of the breach weapons is more damage with sacrificed RoF and clip size. |
Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:23:00 -
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It sacrifuces too much rof atm |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:23:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless.
It has higher damage so they had to slow the rof to make the dps fairer. If it was faster then it would basicly be a cod smg. |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:24:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. I'd just like to point out the whole idea of the breach weapons is more damage with sacrificed RoF and clip size.
+1 for the logic troll. |
Drake435
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:24:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless.
Higher ROF might break the weapon. It already does tremendous damage and combine that with high ROF and we got a game-breaker. Unless it was a moderate ROF then I'd agree. But still, a little range should be added.....not MUCH....just a little.
EDIT: The only thing that could be done to buff it is add a little more range and add maybe 4 bullets to the clip. THAT'S IT! |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:28:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. I'd just like to point out the whole idea of the breach weapons is more damage with sacrificed RoF and clip size. +1 for the logic troll.
Frankly it should get a damage buff and nothing else. |
WyrmHero1945
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:29:00 -
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Decrease damage and increase ROF. It's supposed to have high DPS at CQC, since it's going to breach something... |
phakk
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:31:00 -
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Buff either the damage or ROF, and reduce the range. It's supposed to be a close range weapon anyway. Something between the shotgun and AR. As it is right now, it's good for little more than kittens and giggles.
Very kitteny.... |
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Kane Fyea
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:37:00 -
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I have been waiting for the breach AR to get a buff..... It used to be my preferred weapon.... Not anymore....
Return the breach AR to its former glory. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:59:00 -
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The Breach AR needs a range increase along with a larger clip size or increase in power to compensate for it's incredibly low RoF. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:09:00 -
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SMALL RoF increase. (Maybe. And VERY small)
Significant range increase.
Significant kick increase (yes, this part is a nerf. Sort of) |
TheBlob95 B
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.31 02:23:00 -
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It is a standard assault rifle, I can understand a range reduction for the heavy hitting rounds, but i do not see the logic in needing to be as close as a shotgun user to get a kill... It can't even come close to what the other assault rifles are capable of; Maybe it should have 10% reduction in range compared to other assault rifles.
Definitely needs range increase though
BTW, isn't this the wrong section? |
RECON BY FIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.31 04:13:00 -
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The range on it does suck, but would be a balancing factor IF it was doing damage proper to its role. Heres some interesting numbers:
Duvolle DPS- ~426
CreoDron Breach DPS- ~306
In order to make these weapons have the same DPS the CreoDron would need an 18 point damage buff. Now Im not sure it should be buffed that much, since the breach would be massively abusable with damage mods, but that gives you an idea of how bad the breach compares to the standard AR.
Ill leave you with this last interesting number:
CreoDron Breach DPS with 3 damage mods (using broken 33%)- ~407 |
Drake435
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Posted - 2013.03.31 17:07:00 -
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Can I have a GM or DEV move this to the feedback/request section? |
Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.31 18:02:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. I'd just like to point out the whole idea of the breach weapons is more damage with sacrificed RoF and clip size.
And longer range. Look at the Breach Shotgun. It has much further effective range than the standard shotgun, so why doesn't the breach rifle have further range than the standard rifle? Or at the very least, the same range. |
Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2013.03.31 18:14:00 -
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Delanus Turgias wrote:Logi Bro wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. I'd just like to point out the whole idea of the breach weapons is more damage with sacrificed RoF and clip size. And longer range. Look at the Breach Shotgun. It has much further effective range than the standard shotgun, so why doesn't the breach rifle have further range than the standard rifle? Or at the very least, the same range.
Because it's CCP logic, you don't question it. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.31 20:25:00 -
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Breach is meant to be cqc variant, range should probably stay as is. 20m vs 36m for full damage and 40m vs 78 for max compared to standard.
Even when the breach was overpowered, it did less dps then the standard.
Magazine used to larger, so it had more damage before reload then standard. Change it to 54 round magazine, 10% smaller then standard like the breach smg.
Close quarters would be aided by higher rate of fire, but breach are low rate of fire.
Solution I suggest is duplex rounds, 2 bullets in each casing in real life, change the 41.8 damage to 20.9x2. The 2 rounds would use same recoil amount since they are fired together, but the random disperion would make them strike slightly different spots, should have affect similar to higher rate of fire while keeping alfa damage, rof, and dps the same.
The breach is more accurate hip fire, so this should help it in cqc even with lower dps.
It probably needs small dps buff also (could be rof or damage) but I think the magazine size buff and 2x shots should be tried with current damage first, then buff damage if still needed. It should have role but the standard should be more common, right now it has no niche. SMG does more dps at close range and has more damage in magazine with almost the same range. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.31 20:27:00 -
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I agree it would be nice variant if only change was range buff, it just wouldn't be a breach anymore.
New variant with current breach stats and longer range then standard would be nice alternative to tac ar. |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 20:37:00 -
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In all honesty the breach is fine, the issue is hit detection. Because hit detection is bad in this game you need a high rate of fire weapon in the game to win cqc, and weapons that rely on high dmg slower rounds are hammered with even just 1 or 2 bullets fail to register. |
Winscar Shinobi
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Posted - 2013.03.31 20:56:00 -
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The problem is back in the day the breach was considered Op. the douvolle was still better than it, but in CQC breach would win, and most battles were CQC. So despite better stats the breach was considered better than the douvolle.
Ccp over-nerfed it builds ago and has yet to go back and reevaluate it. I mean they lowered the damage and rof on the breach. They double nerfed it.
They need to raise the rof to 500 (still gets outclassed by the 750 the others have) and also raise the damage slightly. Right now the breach ARs are pointless and only used if you want to play the game on "hard mode" |
Knight SoIaire
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Posted - 2013.03.31 20:58:00 -
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Is the Breach not supposed to be a CQC weapon though?
I always used that thing back in CB. |
Winscar Shinobi
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Posted - 2013.03.31 21:07:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Is the Breach not supposed to be a CQC weapon though?
I always used that thing back in CB.
It was originally supposed to be an alternative to the douvolle. Around the same stats but high damage low rof. Where the douvolle was low damage high rof.
High damage low rof works well in CQC so it just adopted the role. |
Th3rdSun
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Posted - 2013.03.31 22:07:00 -
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Drake435 wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Since it's a CQC weapon why not buff its ROF? Higher than the standard AR. CQC and low ROF makes no sense to me, it's useless. Higher ROF might break the weapon. It already does tremendous damage and combine that with high ROF and we got a game-breaker. Unless it was a moderate ROF then I'd agree. But still, a little range should be added.....not MUCH....just a little. EDIT: The only thing that could be done to buff it is add a little more range and add maybe 4 bullets to the clip. THAT'S IT!
Higher ROF DID break the weapon. Back in Precursor,the gun was virtually unstoppable mainly because of it's higher ROF.While it was't as fast as a Duvolle,it wasn't as slow as it is now.It was probably somewhere in between the Duvolle and it's current ROF,but the thing that really made it deadly was it still had comparable range with all of the other ARs.
I've been using the GB-9 quite a bit lately,and it's a beast up close,and that's where it's usefulness ends.You can't even put down sufficient suppressive fire with it,and mind you,my Sharpshooter is at lvl 4.
Basically,the only real way to use any of the breach ARs is like it's a shotgun.Up close and super personal.I can see if we have more maps with CQC,this could easily become the gun of choice for a lot of players.
The other thing that CCP needs to think about is the price of the CreoDron.It is entirely way too overpriced for a gun that has very limited use by the playerbase,and has a very narrow functionality.
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Galrick M'kron
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.01 13:28:00 -
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Maybe buff the breach's damage by 10 (for all breach ARs) and increase the range. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.04.01 14:21:00 -
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RoF needs a slight increase and 'from hip' accuracy up a lil bit for CQC nothing too much just a small increase to help run and gunning. its a great gun but is outclassed by even a low end SMG |
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