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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1175
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:53:00 -
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Mens Reppola of Ishukone proves yet again that he's a better man than Heth will ever be. Heth's decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit cost tens of millions of lives and countless State resources on both the ground and in orbit. Even if the State holds control of Caldari Prime's surface what next? There will be no chance for reinforcements and the CPD will crumble without the necessary logistical support.
The fact that firing the doomsday device on Caldair Prime was attempted disgusts me. At this point though I have no love for Heth or Roden. They both want to kill us all and are more concerned with the ground war then civilians trapped in the devastated Arcurio.
If Heth obstructs the Ishukone forces or the Ishukone Watch in any way he will have revealed himself as the traitor to the State and the people we as clone soldiers already know him to be. |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
83
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:28:00 -
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Heth's decision was to meet a military threat with an appropriate level of readiness. While tens of millions of lives where lost it was not Heth's decision to warp a Moros fleet into restricted airspace, It was not Heth who shot down the Titan whose destruction is causing widespread destruction on a Caldari world. That is what we are talking about here, If Caldari Prime is anything it is a Caldari world. When a defensive action by Caldari forces above a Caldari planet incurs a loss of life and state resources it's the fault of Caldari leadership alone?
You tell me some opportunist is petitioning for access to the planet in order to provide relief? The fighting on Caldari Prime hasn't even ceased and you believe someone has already determined the best course of action for the survivors. Considering the conflict that put the innocent populace of Caldari Prime in this position the best help they can get right now can only come from Gallente or bipartisan sources such as the SOE.
You say that if Heth interferes with Ishukone forces he is a traitor. What forces? If Ishukone is already aiming to escalate the conflict aren't they as bad as you claim Heth to be? Wouldn't the loss of life resulting from their actions be as culpable as Heth's attempts to defend the state. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
370
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:38:00 -
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With Kain on this one it would have been a simple matter to deal with the fleet and have faith in ground troops who valently held the line I have much respect for caldari people but none for heth who has shown poor leadership and judgment from the start. I only hope the empress offers some form of council before more of God's children are slain. After the people of caldari prime did not ask for this fight all those years ago. I heth as clearly made things worse for both people |
Volgair
The Tritan Industries
246
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:21:00 -
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I will agree with Kain, that Mens Reppola is the better man then Heth. However Mens did allow for the knowledge of DUST merc creation to become common knowledge for those seeking it, in an attempt to diffuse Amarr's advantage... In a way i suppose it worked. I cant believe for a second, I am the only one who cant wait to read Tony Gonzales's next book? |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
84
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:35:00 -
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As a loyalist I am to concerned with who leads the Caldari as a people for it matters not. In patriotism we shall succeed.
On a more serious note Im not against Heth but nor do I support some of his more recent agenda's. However it was true that under his command the Shigeru was installed above Caldari Prime and our chance to re take the planet was given.
Also Im not sure Ishukone's Mens Reppola is the best candiadate for leader of the State. Candidacy needs to bve drawn from the Lal Dal, Kaalakiota, and Wiyrkomi Megacorporations so as to ensure continued control by the Patriot powerbloc. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2150
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:41:00 -
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Ishukone makes my snipers, I approve. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star.
47
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:46:00 -
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Heth is power mad and no one here can deny it. I may be Minmatar and support the Federation but I must agree that everyone in the cluster would be better off without Heth, Blaque, and Roden. Unfortunately even an optimist like me can't see a truly peaceful solution to Caldari Prime's sovereignty. One side will have to back down for there to be a peace, but since neither side will back down, the owners of Caldari Prime will be whoever owns the system at that time. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
85
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:00:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Heth is power mad and no one here can deny it. I may be Minmatar and support the Federation but I must agree that everyone in the cluster would be better off without Heth, Blaque, and Roden. Unfortunately even an optimist like me can't see a truly peaceful solution to Caldari Prime's sovereignty. One side will have to back down for there to be a peace, but since neither side will back down, the owners of Caldari Prime will be whoever owns the system at that time.
Why do people fear the powermad? What did we ever do to you?
EXECUTE THEM!! BURN THEM ALL!!! |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
88
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:39:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Heth is power mad and no one here can deny it. I may be Minmatar and support the Federation but I must agree that everyone in the cluster would be better off without Heth, Blaque, and Roden. Unfortunately even an optimist like me can't see a truly peaceful solution to Caldari Prime's sovereignty. One side will have to back down for there to be a peace, but since neither side will back down, the owners of Caldari Prime will be whoever owns the system at that time. Why do people fear the powermad? What did we ever do to you? EXECUTE THEM!! BURN THEM ALL!!!
Why do people fear their enemies having power mad leaders. Depending on your interests you could easily think of Heth as an absolute treasure. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
85
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:47:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Heth is power mad and no one here can deny it. I may be Minmatar and support the Federation but I must agree that everyone in the cluster would be better off without Heth, Blaque, and Roden. Unfortunately even an optimist like me can't see a truly peaceful solution to Caldari Prime's sovereignty. One side will have to back down for there to be a peace, but since neither side will back down, the owners of Caldari Prime will be whoever owns the system at that time. Why do people fear the powermad? What did we ever do to you? EXECUTE THEM!! BURN THEM ALL!!! Why do people fear their enemies having power mad leaders. Depending on your interests you could easily think of Heth as an absolute treasure.
I do. He is a shining beacon of what leaders need to be..... |
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XANDER KAG
Red Star.
47
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Posted - 2013.03.25 20:20:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Aqil Aegivan wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Heth is power mad and no one here can deny it. I may be Minmatar and support the Federation but I must agree that everyone in the cluster would be better off without Heth, Blaque, and Roden. Unfortunately even an optimist like me can't see a truly peaceful solution to Caldari Prime's sovereignty. One side will have to back down for there to be a peace, but since neither side will back down, the owners of Caldari Prime will be whoever owns the system at that time. Why do people fear the powermad? What did we ever do to you? EXECUTE THEM!! BURN THEM ALL!!! Why do people fear their enemies having power mad leaders. Depending on your interests you could easily think of Heth as an absolute treasure. I do. He is a shining beacon of what leaders need to be..... Who takes entire planets hostage... |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
489
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:09:00 -
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I agree. Mens Reppola might be the only leader amongst the Caldari who could potentially bring peace to the Gallente and prosperity to the Caldari.
The man's got his head screwed on straight.
I have to admit, Ishukone Watch spent far more time tamping down the extremists on Intaki Prime (especially the pro-Caldari ones) than bothering the locals. That's a huge difference between him and Heth's handling of the Gallente on Caldari Prime. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
284
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:15:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Mens Reppola of Ishukone proves yet again that he's a better man than Heth will ever be. Heth's decision to move the Shiigeru into low orbit cost tens of millions of lives and countless State resources on both the ground and in orbit. Even if the State holds control of Caldari Prime's surface what next? There will be no chance for reinforcements and the CPD will crumble without the necessary logistical support. The fact that firing the doomsday device on Caldair Prime was attempted disgusts me. At this point though I have no love for Heth or Roden. They both want to kill us all and are more concerned with the ground war then civilians trapped in the devastated Arcurio. If Heth obstructs the Ishukone forces or the Ishukone Watch in any way he will have revealed himself as the traitor to the State and the people we as clone soldiers already know him to be.
i agree with kain on heth being a madman, but all the tragedy that has happened is a direct result of Gallente aggresors once again trying to steal our ancestral homeworld. |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
342
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:23:00 -
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Who started the war? Caldari.
Who finished the war? Gallente. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
285
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:24:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:Who started the war? Caldari.
Who finished the war? Gallente.
who stole whoms planet?
gallente
who tried defending retaken homeworld?
caldari |
Fraceska
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
342
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Posted - 2013.03.26 02:29:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:Fraceska wrote:Who started the war? Caldari.
Who finished the war? Gallente. who stole whoms planet? gallente who tried defending retaken homeworld? caldari
And if you could take our world you would. Unlike the Caldari State we Gallente cherish life and don't have this fascination with "self-sacrifice" that is tantamount to suicide.
Now you want a hero? Doule dos Rouvenor III, he is a hero. |
Akira Regendorf
Conspiratus Immortalis
22
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Posted - 2013.03.26 03:04:00 -
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Personally I like Heth, he is a raving mad engine of chaos and stupidity, just the kind of person I want in power when I get paid to spill blood. I don't like his stance on clones, but as long as he keeps pissing people off and causing more people to seek my services he can stay in power. The more people willing to pay me to kill the better. |
Corn In TheSkidmark
Expert Intervention Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.03.26 03:13:00 -
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Long live Heth. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
43
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Posted - 2013.03.26 04:49:00 -
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Hmm, I'm not Caldari enough to even make an opinion on whether Heth should be removed (I think he should be), but I have a applaud Ishukone for having stepped forth to extend the proverbial "olive" and promote diplomacy in order to help those that need it most.
Props to Mens. Well done. |
Scope View
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.26 04:58:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Fraceska wrote:Who started the war? Caldari.
Who finished the war? Gallente. who stole whoms planet? gallente who tried defending retaken homeworld? caldari And if you could take our world you would. Unlike the Caldari State we Gallente cherish life and don't have this fascination with "self-sacrifice" that is tantamount to suicide. Now you want a hero? Doule dos Rouvenor III, he is a hero.
So you're cowards who run at the first sign of trouble.
and your hero's major accomplishment is a narcissistic calendar based on when he got the crown, and stopping natural selection of the strongest to survive. |
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Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects
98
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Posted - 2013.03.26 05:05:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:General Tiberius1 wrote:Fraceska wrote:Who started the war? Caldari.
Who finished the war? Gallente. who stole whoms planet? gallente who tried defending retaken homeworld? caldari And if you could take our world you would. Unlike the Caldari State we Gallente cherish life and don't have this fascination with "self-sacrifice" that is tantamount to suicide. Now you want a hero? Doule dos Rouvenor III, he is a hero.
Arighty you Its on like donkey kong send Shyeer that corp battle offer! |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries
67
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Posted - 2013.03.26 12:27:00 -
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Volgair wrote:I will agree with Kain, that Mens Reppola is the better man then Heth. However Mens did allow for the knowledge of DUST merc creation to become common knowledge for those seeking it, in an attempt to diffuse Amarr's advantage... In a way i suppose it worked. I cant believe for a second, I am the only one who cant wait to read Tony Gonzales's next book? I knew that was the ends he was going to be seeking.
I suppose we will find out if the ends justify the means. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3237
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:21:00 -
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I've worked with Reppola and Iskone Watch in the past and he owed me enough to actually get me into the clone program after I what was supposed to been a lethal shot. While memory still bit jumbled and shadow of my former self in all sense of the word I am still alive. |
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