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Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 16:58:00 - [1] - Quote I need advice on ^ the topic. Cheap but still could be called a gaming setup. .
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 364	Posted - 2013.03.23 17:49:00 - [2] - Quote my keyboard and mouse cost me over -ú200 so don't ask me. any keyboard will do but the mouse is key, something with variable dpi switch.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote My curret 10 year old apple mouse that I found in the closet of my new appartment is hurting my fingers ... To behonest I have no problems with a shiny mouse though...
Avajrik Kirjava Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: my keyboard and mouse cost me over -ú200 so don't ask me. any keyboard will do but the mouse is key, something with variable dpi switch. Razer Mamba is pretty sweet, 6400dpi scalable. Bit out of that price bracket though. Is there any targeting penalties for using kbm?
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 73	Posted - 2013.03.23 18:09:00 - [5] - Quote DPI switch is really nice but its not required at all. Done FPS'ing for nearly two decades without it and just recently started abusing it. Good stuff, but its usually the factor that changes a 15 dollar mouse into a 50 dollar mouse.
EKH0 0ne RestlessSpirits 1	Posted - 2013.03.23 18:22:00 - [6] - Quote I got a really good set up for you, check it out.... here you go bro http://www.ebay.com/itm/290853200041?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 http://www.ebay.com/itm/310557580897?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 your welcome
Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 19:32:00 - [7] - Quote Thanks, I hope this one does the trick http://m79.lv/p/78118 as it's easier for me to get. But about the mouse, Im new to FPS, what does dpi mean? I bet I can spare a bit more on the mouse. And do I need a powered usb hub or will a normal one do.

GM Hercules Game Masters C C P Alliance 363	Posted - 2013.03.23 19:39:00 - [8] - Quote Moved to: Rookie Training Grounds Please feel free to read this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32453&find=unread

Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:04:00 - [9] - Quote I think this keyboard http://m79.lv/p/78118 and this mouse http://m79.lv/p/84732 does the trick, though I would like a shinier mouse.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 157	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:24:00 - [10] - Quote Wired mouse is the most important. Laser mice are bad for FPS games and expensive so don't get one. If you have a USB mic and only 2 USB ports, you should go BlueTooth keyboard over a wireless mouse. You can also get a hub. I can't confirm this, but some others have said that you can use a USB hub and plug in more USB ports to your PS3. So there's a mouse called, "Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical" that is very famous for FPS gamers. I have two WMO 1.1a. You can google it if you want more information. The good thing is, it's cheap. Microsoft made so many of them, and the number of people who play FPS games and like to win is surprisingly small. The only problem is the polling rate (and maybe some complaints about using HD, but that's an issue for computer screens too... I admit I'm kind of lazy, like nice graphics, and most people who play this game are bad so I play in HD lol) Anyways, there are conflicting reports on what the polling rate of the USB port on the PS3 is. I haven't figured out the best way to test, but it does accept higher polling rates from mice where you have the option to increase it. ie most Razer mice. The WMO is still amazing. You don't need a high-DPI mouse if you're on the ground, but you will need it if you're the main gunner in a tank and use a keyboard and mouse. The turret turn speed is slower than what you can get by using a controller even while using the highest DPI mouse, but to make it decent you need something like 3,500+ DPI to make it work. I use a Razer Death Adder for tanking, and I plug the WMO in when I'm not using the controller and running on foot. Although, I usually don't do that on 0 Try, I do it on an infantry alt. (I'm pure tank, ie lvl 1 weaponry, etc etc so there's no point for me to stay infantry for long). The downside to that mouse is that I can't program it, so the profiles do not cross over from my computer to my PS3. You really don't need to adjust the sensitivity ever. Maybe if you decide to hard scope in the hills, but if you're doing that you might as well just start at low sensitivity in the first place. So the keyboard is going to be more expensive. Unless you play MMOs, avoid the so-called "gaming keyboards". They are just expensive and usually worse than what you can get. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be many great BlueTooth keyboards that I could find, and certainly no cheap ones. I haven't tried or looked at the one CCP came out with (they had a promo-dust514 BT keyboard) because it was a EU release only. Again, it goes back to the market. People who buy gaming keyboards are a much smaller part of the market than all of the people who buy keyboards for typing. All of those students, secretaries, writers, etc., etc all want a keyboard that's best to type with. So that means that the highest quality keyboards are made for the largest part of the market, people who use them to type. What does that mean for you? The best gaming keyboards are all NKRO, and beyond that it's pretty much up to feel. If you want to be heard from miles away, you can get a mechanical keyboard, but if you want to type like a normal person you can just use a normal keyboard. NKRO means that you can hit multiple keys, and they all register. Most of the USB keyboards are 3KRO, so that means that you can only hit three keys at once. So if you're moving diagonally (keys W and A), you're sprinting, so holding the sprint key, and you want to jump, you'll get an error on 3KRO (because you hit 4 keys). A number of things might happen, but the one thing that won't happen is that you'll be able to get all 4 keys going at the same time. And watch out for the keyboards that say something like "6KRO". That most likely means that you can hit only certain keys at the same time, and not any combination. I believe USB is limited to 6KRO, but that is fine for anything you do in this game. It'll also be any 6 keys, not the ones they allow you to press. And for my final point, which is GREAT news for you, is that the controller is definitely better for moving than a keyboard and mouse. So if you're planning on running infantry, it's probably a better idea to practice with the controller instead of going with a KB+M.

0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 157	Posted - 2013.03.23 20:30:00 - [11] - Quote There are a few threads on this, here's one I found in search :D here, go you will
Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 22:21:00 - [12] - Quote Thanks for giving me advice, I will certainly buy this mouse but I prefer using an USB hub, so l'll use that. But as for using the controller - thats a no no for me. Never used it, never will xD
Ansiiis The Trustworthy DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.03.23 22:33:00 - [13] - Quote And where might I finr one? My search turned out negative...
Eleanore de Blank Opus Arcana Orion Empire 0	Posted - 2013.04.02 18:12:00 - [14] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Laser mice are bad for FPS games and expensive Could you please explain that? 0 Try Harder wrote: the controller is definitely better for moving than a keyboard and mouse. And that one too. I can partially agree with 1st statement (in the part about cost and may be even ratio between profit and cost), but second statement looks like nonsense to me. 0 Try Harder wrote: NKRO means that you can hit multiple keys, and they all register. Most of the USB keyboards are 3KRO, so that means that you can only hit three keys at once. So if you're moving diagonally (keys W and A), you're sprinting, so holding the sprint key, and you want to jump, you'll get an error on 3KRO (because you hit 4 keys). A number of things might happen, but the one thing that won't happen is that you'll be able to get all 4 keys going at the same time. One should mention that so called "modifier" keys, i.e. Shift, Ctrl and Alt do not count against KRO value so 3KRO means you can press Shift, Ctrl, Alt and any 3 other keys at once and they all will be registered. 0 Try Harder wrote: I believe USB is limited to 6KRO, but that is fine for anything you do in this game. It'll also be any 6 keys, not the ones they allow you to press. It's true. Logitech G710 have 20KRO but it must be connected to two different (not multiplied by hub) USB-ports in order to work that way.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 178	Posted - 2013.04.03 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Sure :D So there are a couple of reasons not to use laser mice for FPS games. The first is that almost all of the laser mice do not have a sensor that is as good as an optical sensor. Some of the new laser mice have a decent sensor (ie past two years) that is almost as good as an optical. Unfortunately, they all have acceleration and sometimes smoothing built into the sensor that cannot be disabled or turned off. Mouse acceleration is when it tries to guess how fast or far you want the cursor to move in relation to the speed of your hand. I'm sure everyone has experienced this, but if you're on a computer and you flick your mouse or move it extremely fast, it will travel more distance faster than it would have if you had slowly moved your mouse the same distance. That's acceleration. Since mice can only tell when they have moved by points, and not a continuous motion, they register movement by going between them. You'll notice it if you open a program like MS Paint without mouse smoothing on, and try to draw a circle. You should see something that looks like a curve, but made of extremely small jagged edges. Mouse smoothing makes those jagged edges smooth, so you get a nice curve instead of the jagged-edged thing you drew. You do not want either of those for FPS games because it is a computer trying to figure out what you tried to do with your hand or want the mouse to do, instead of just doing only what your hand does. Muscle memory is huge in FPS games, so if you're moving your mouse rapidly to hit a guy 1cm to the right, your mouse might sense that you moved it faster or slower and move your crosshairs 0.5 or 1.5cm to the right. If your crosshairs on the screen move exactly the same way for one movement from the mouse, your body will just learn it and you'll make that change faster and faster every time. The acceleration makes it so the computer tries to learn, and not your body. One "advantage" that most laser mice have over most optical mice are ten thousand extra buttons. Many MMO games have spells and abilities and whatever that you can activate, but FPS games do not. You aim, you shoot, you frag, you win! You also do not want to be moving your hand off of key buttons, like right click and left click. Some optical mice have buttons for your thumb, which is cool. Once we can bind keys, you'll usually put them on your keyboard anyways. That's where the RFDG setup comes in handy. I have five fingers that can hit multiple keys, and there are definitely more buttons on my KB than there ever should be on a mouse =] KB vs controller movement: If you have a KB, you can just try it out and you should see the difference. The KB movement is nowhere near as good as the controller in game for infantry. It's the complete opposite for vehicles, ESPECIALLY HAVs. The KB keeps forward movement in HAVs while turning because you can hold "W" while you press "A" or "D". For some reason, holding W on the KB makes the HAV move faster than pushing the controller's stick forward. I can't exactly pinpoint what makes the controller better for movement than KB, but I believe it is a number of things. Similar to the HAV, keyboard has set values for the speed and direction you move in. The controller allows you to change speed and some direction where the keyboard cannot. If I strafe by pushing my controller's left stick 1mm to the right, I strafe at an extremely low speed. If I hid "D" on my keyboard, I can't change how fast I am moving. Also, I can only hit W and D or W and A on the keyboard to move diagonally, but I have better control of direction by moving the stick. And that gets into the predictability of your target. If your target can only move Left, Right, Forward and Back (Or diagonally within those directions) at one speed, his movement is much easier to predict than someone who can change the speed and direction outside of the KB limitations. While playing many FPS games on console, you will notice that many console gamers use strafing to help their aim. With a KB/M, the tendency is to move the mouse to where you want to shoot, but on console you will see many strafe to aim, or use it in some way to help. Yes, the mouse might have better control in certain situations, but using strafe/movement speed in addition to the normal aim (right stick) lowers the difference in aiming between controller and mice. There are plenty of console gamers who have pinpoint aim with a controller. Also, I found out that all the best players in this game are using controllers while on foot, even though they may have KB/M xD. I started asking once I found out that KB movement on foot made me >.< I tried using controller in my left hand and a mouse in my right when I found out that was possible. It was ok, but you cannot hit x, square, triangle, or circle without taking your hand off of the mouse. Throwing grenades also felt awkward. Some believe that once we can rebind keys, this will be the best thing to do, but I am skeptical. Thanks for adding the bit about modifier keys on keyboards and the limitations of the USB port.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 178	Posted - 2013.04.03 00:50:00 - [16] - Quote If you get really anal about it, you can check out what is going on in MLG. I googled it before I made this post because the information I had was a few years old, but it turns out that nothing has changed. The best thing about it is that a cheap keyboard and an old school Microsoft WMO 1.1a are cheap. You might even have an old optical mouse! I think it's cool that someone spending $300 on gaming equipment has no advantage, and most likely at a disadvantage to the guy who spend $25 on some cheap stuff. Console FTW! Also, I forgot to mention DPI. DPI is not accuracy, just speed. For accuracy while firing a gun, it is likely that you will be using a low sensitivity. The only problem is for tanks. The turret rotation speed of railgun tanks is slow, and it's horrible with a low DPI mouse. I set the sensitivity to MAX on everything I could for KB/M. I use KB/M while tanking, and I switch to my dualshock 3 set in-game to a lower sensitivity.
Eleanore de Blank Opus Arcana Orion Empire 1	Posted - 2013.04.03 09:19:00 - [17] - Quote Thank you for the really detailed and elaborated explanation. I'll keep in mind what you've said.
Godin Thekiller KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 29	Posted - 2013.04.03 10:14:00 - [18] - Quote Although, when we are able to, my KB/M will become very useful when I got 12 extra buttons on it (plus 2 extra on the mouse) for vehicle things, if the even let us hot key the modules....


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