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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
338
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:23:00 -
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A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
433
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:25:00 -
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People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
268
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:31:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general.
I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... |
Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
14
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:44:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it.
Further, yes heavies need to be buffed. On the inside of my over-sized jacket coattails there are six f@nny packs. Three on each side. So all of my heavy suites deserve to have six Equipment slots.
edit note: For some reason f@anny is being detected a a curse word... |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
46
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Posted - 2013.03.18 08:56:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it. Further, yes heavies need to be buffed. On the inside of my over-sized jacket coattails there are six f@nny packs. Three on each side. So all of my heavy suites deserve to have six Equipment slots. edit note: For some reason f@anny is being detected a a curse word...
Let's just say that slots, equipment and CPU/PG are in the backpack. Logis have the largest followed by assault. Then heavy has smaller backpack than assault, which means fewer slots than assault and no equipment. Heavies have a ton amount of HP, people just have to stop pretending they're invincible with the heavy suit and take more cover. |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
123
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:05:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote: So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
Pub match right?
Yeah, doesn't count.
Heavies need another high and low slot and some more CPU/PG.
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Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
14
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:09:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it. Further, yes heavies need to be buffed. On the inside of my over-sized jacket coattails there are six f@nny packs. Three on each side. So all of my heavy suites deserve to have six Equipment slots. edit note: For some reason f@anny is being detected a a curse word... Let's just say that slots, equipment and CPU/PG are in the backpack. Logis have the largest followed by assault. Then heavy has smaller backpack than assault, which means fewer slots than assault and no equipment. Heavies have a ton amount of HP, people just have to stop pretending they're invincible with the heavy suit and take more cover. Don't dis the f@nny packs Bro.
I started out as the Sentinel class and have never thought heavies should get Equipment slots. In fact I think the number of equipment slots on non-logis should be fewer. If the Artificer has to give up his Side-Arm slot and be stuck with an SMG (which is a side-arm, how funny is that?) the least CCP could do is keep his role special. Upper tier Assault and Scouts don't really need them anymore. |
KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:16:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
You hit the "role" point. Heavies will always be deadly with a logi, but only if the logi knows his role. As a heavy, you got to know your limitation. The only issue I have with the heavy class would be the cost. Either lower the isk or add 1 slot to make it worthwhile. |
KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:20:00 -
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Djinn leukoplast, I appreciate the acknowledgments and good luck. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
433
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:21:00 -
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KaoticKrusader wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
You hit the "role" point. Heavies will always be deadly with a logi, but only if the logi knows his role. As a heavy, you got to know your limitation. The only issue I have with the heavy class would be the cost. Either lower the isk or add 1 slot to make it worthwhile. That's hardly true.
Heavy + Logi < two Assaults.
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
340
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:26:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote: So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
Pub match right? Yeah, doesn't count. Heavies need another high and low slot and some more CPU/PG.
Regardless of what it was, they knew how to work as a team. It was quite amazing to be honest.
Bottom line is, if you are a heavy and think you are under-powered, then try working as a team. Stop trying to play lone-wolf, you weren't designed for that.
/all. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
269
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:28:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it.
You need a CPU upgrade in the low. Or decent skills ofcourse.
Im lucky enough to get logi "heavy" squads so dont notice much, and tbh for a heavy suit that isnt expensive (my FG suit is expensive! lol) |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
340
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:33:00 -
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KaoticKrusader wrote:Djinn leukoplast, I appreciate the acknowledgments and good luck.
Case in point... +1 one to you man.
This dude in question is an amazing heavy with his team support. Well played!
Next time hope my bandwidth isn't subdued by LAN Roku gimping.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
335
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:35:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:KaoticKrusader wrote:Djinn leukoplast, I appreciate the acknowledgments and good luck. Case in point... +1 one to you man. This dude in question is an amazing heavy with his team support. Well played! Next time hope my bandwidth isn't subdued by LAN Roku gimping. DAMMMN THAT ROKUUUUU!!! |
KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:42:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:KaoticKrusader wrote:Djinn leukoplast, I appreciate the acknowledgments and good luck. Case in point... +1 one to you man. This dude in question is an amazing heavy with his team sup port. Well played! Next time hope my bandwidth isn't subdued by LAN Roku gimping.
Looking forward to it. Hopefully it's better for you next time. Try to fill a squad, I would enjoy a hard fought fight |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
340
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:55:00 -
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KaoticKrusader wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:KaoticKrusader wrote:Djinn leukoplast, I appreciate the acknowledgments and good luck. Case in point... +1 one to you man. This dude in question is an amazing heavy with his team support. Well played! Next time hope my bandwidth isn't subdued by LAN Roku gimping. Looking forward to it. Hopefully it's better for you next time. Try to fill a squad, I would enjoy a hard fought fight
One of these days I will get you! Almost had you in one match tonight with a single nade, luckily Black Heart 555 had your back (he is an amazing logi!).
Look forward to our next meeting
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:14:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:
Regardless of what it was, they knew how to work as a team. It was quite amazing to be honest.
Bottom line is, if you are a heavy and think you are under-powered, then try working as a team. Stop trying to play lone-wolf, you weren't designed for that.
/all.
No, it absolutely matters if it was a pub match.
I don't roll solo, and that still doesn't change my opinion that the proto heavy suit is complete garbage. So if the top tier suit has no value, how can people say it isn't UP?
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KaoticKrusader
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:36:00 -
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I am not bragging or anything, but I am still able to post similar result in corp matches and that includes good corps. I also solo and can hold my own be it different playstyle. |
Mortedeamor
Wraith Shadow Guards
3
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:51:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it. Further, yes heavies need to be buffed. On the inside of my over-sized jacket coattails there are six f@nny packs. Three on each side. So all of my heavy suites deserve to have six Equipment slots. edit note: For some reason f@anny is being detected a a curse word... Let's just say that slots, equipment and CPU/PG are in the backpack. Logis have the largest followed by assault. Then heavy has smaller backpack than assault, which means fewer slots than assault and no equipment. Heavies have a ton amount of HP, people just have to stop pretending they're invincible with the heavy suit and take more cover. i agree the heavies that get raped are the ones that stand there while they get shot at |
Drogan Reeth
Free Trade Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:55:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote: So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
Pub match right? Yeah, doesn't count. Heavies need another high and low slot and some more CPU/PG. Regardless of what it was, they knew how to work as a team. It was quite amazing to be honest. Bottom line is, if you are a heavy and think you are under-powered, then try working as a team. Stop trying to play lone-wolf, you weren't designed for that. /all.
Are you really that dumb? It doesn't matter what the base model can do, the proto costs over 200k and gives nothing in return. You can scream heavy is fine all you want and hope that people will run around with "fine" heavy base models for the rest of time but that doesnt change the fact that proto suits still suck. Nooone in thier right mind will say proto heavy is fine, it needs a reduction in cost from 200k to 100k and it needs an extra high slot/low slot and more cpu/pg. |
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fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
230
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:33:00 -
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Onlything Heavies need is their skirt removed. Why are they wearing a dress? |
Shadow Archeus
Wraith Shadow Guards
54
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:33:00 -
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Or increase the HP of the suits by 50hp per tier
The vk.0 suit would have 937 HP with field mechanics maxed
Or and this one is a stretch......make armor plates specifically designed for heavy suits that do not limit movement speed
This ones a stretch too.....make armor repair modules not fit on the heavy suit but give them a buff to total hp so they HAVE to rely on a logi for help
Now on to the hmg The main complaint I see is range Though at range the accuracy does not increase So I propose this
Decrease the range slightly make it have no damage drop off and every level of sharpshooter proficiency increases accuracy at range by 3%
Or buff the damage slightly and decrease range
On a side note Personally I would like a decreased ROF and increased damage hmg |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
955
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:04:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Heavy + Logi < two Assaults.
Umm.....no.
Logi's can do more than rep a heavy, you know, so they can shoot one of those assault guys and then do damage control on the heavy after all baddies are dead. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
865
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:10:00 -
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I wonder what Assault players would do if CCP removes a high and low slot on their Proto suit, and doubles the price, how they would feel about it.
Fact is, there's no reason to use a Heavy Proto suit. There's not enough reason to spend that 1 mil + SP to get 1 high slot not to mention dropping 240+k ISK per suit.
Where's the balance? Heavies in basically Adv. suits going against Proto suits that are actually worth getting. If you're seriously against a Heavy buff, your butthurt is strong. I know getting molested by an HMG can't be easy, but you should get over it.
- More slots
- More CPU / PG
- Lower cost
^ That really have you guys butthurt? loooool |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
232
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:13:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
i must disagree, we go splat way too easily for being the most expensive non-vehicle class out there
(marketing one o one-prices correlates to quality, right now a proto heavy should cost no more then a 1000isk, it's crap) |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
338
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:41:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote: Stop trying to play lone-wolf, you weren't designed for that. Damn.... |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
67
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:53:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TURKEY!!!!! Ive never asked for a buff on the heavy once I like it the way it is. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries
15
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:54:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I wonder what Assault players would do if CCP removes a high and low slot on their Proto suit, and doubles the price, how they would feel about it.
Fact is, there's no reason to use a Heavy Proto suit. There's not enough reason to spend that 1 mil + SP to get 1 high slot not to mention dropping 240+k ISK per suit.
Where's the balance? Heavies in basically Adv. suits going against Proto suits that are actually worth getting. If you're seriously against a Heavy buff, your butthurt is strong. I know getting molested by an HMG can't be easy, but you should get over it.
- More slots
- More CPU / PG
- Lower cost
^ That really have you guys butthurt? loooool
You make a valid point, +1, I don't like paying 240k for a suit when I could buy an almost half decent tank with that ISK, might just have to try that out... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
866
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:54:00 -
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Cosorvin wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TURKEY!!!!! Ive never asked for a buff on the heavy once I like it the way it is.
You like spending 240+ ISK on a proto suit that's basically a B - Series?
You like lube with your "getting screwed"?
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Sentient Archon
Red Star.
820
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:57:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote: So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
Pub match right? Yeah, doesn't count. Heavies need another high and low slot and some more CPU/PG.
I have said this many times, my proto logi has more HP than a proto heavy. Bring on your best heavies in a corp match and unless they have proper backup they will be ripped to shreds.
Heavies need a buff. Its the Alpha and the kittening Omega. No discussion needed! |
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Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
67
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:04:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Cosorvin wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A few matches tonight I have gone against a heavy from Delta Force, and I gotta hand it to this guy... he knows his role. Pure ownage 100%, heavy old-school style. He dominates like it was back when heavies were the cream of the crop and the majority of the players didn't have 450+ shields and upgraded weapons/skills.
So if he can do it, why can't the rest of you? I know heavies in my corp do just fine, so what's up? Seriously, heavies don't need any buffs, they are still plenty OP in the right situation (which is how it should be, for every class).
Heavy QQers, dare I say it, but... HTFU and play your role correctly. Heavies are fine... more than fine actually. You turkeys do NOT need any buffs.
HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TURKEY!!!!! Ive never asked for a buff on the heavy once I like it the way it is. You like spending 240+ ISK on a proto suit that's basically a B - Series? You like lube with your "getting screwed"?
im using a mh 82 HMG and 2nd grade suit next to militia. Its not that expensive yet. |
Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
15
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:22:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:People mean that the Advanced and (especially) the Proto Heavy need a buff, not the Heavy in general. I see CCP's problem tho, The type 1 can happily fit 2x complex dmg mods and a MH-82 HMG but not much else, any buff in suits you just start adding to whats balanced... I'm going to have to try that fit out and see if the 65K+ isk price tag is worth it. You need a CPU upgrade in the low. Or decent skills ofcourse. Im lucky enough to get logi "heavy" squads so dont notice much, and tbh for a heavy suit that isnt expensive (my FG suit is expensive! lol) CromeBreaker you are indeed a lucky devil. I have to put on a pink tank-top and do unspeakable things to even get a logi to think about repping me. So I generally roll in a cheap 30k to 40k suite.
Yes I do have decent (or at least OK) fitting skills so the only question is which armor repair module can be shoehorned in there. It sure is rough fitting the suites when HMGs have higher fitting requirements than the assault rifle equivalents. Although from your costs reaction my guess is you roll with at least meta 8 HMGs and measure your fatty suites like some people do militia tanks.
I still remember way back when HMGs were completely useless. So it wouldn't surprise me if CCP accidentally nerfed them to that place again. |
Rusty Shallows
Creative Killers
15
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:28:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:Onlything Heavies need is their skirt removed. Why are they wearing a dress? Sometimes we like to turn around and moon our foes Braveheart style. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2OC7ExGmXI |
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