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Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 47	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:41:00 - [1] - Quote DAMAGE MOD STACKING Tweeking ANY Weapon or suit without addressing this first will result in total imbalance Its hard to test something when another part is broken Its like trying to see if you fixed your car but you don't have tires or rims.....sure it might start and run but ITS NOT GOING ANYWHERE To those that actually care about seeing this game do well we need this fixed before any weapon tweeks or suit tweeks I mean sure your kdr is good and you destroy anything that walks in front of you.......but is it your skill or a broken mechanic......I believe some of you are good players I really do....but if you do this IMHO you cheat plain and simple...... No I'm not mad or butthurt I'm just stating facts Does anyone else agree??
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 471	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:44:00 - [2] - Quote ughhh... wat? Are you referring to stacking penalties on damage mods by any chance?
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 47	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:48:00 - [3] - Quote Yes........Sry I'm typing on my phone and its ******** and deleted half of my total post and I'm too lazy and tired to type it all again
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 150	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:52:00 - [4] - Quote Damage mods aren't any more powerful than shield extenders, even without a stacking penalty. Please take my word for it and don't make me prove it mathematically again. It'll be a threadnaught.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 474	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:58:00 - [5] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Damage mods aren't any more powerful than shield extenders, even without a stacking penalty. Please take my word for it and don't make me prove it mathematically again. It'll be a threadnaught. Maths Disturbingly Bored wrote: For the sake of example let's compare two suits. Both have: Assault Vk.1: 225 Shields, 105 Armor base Duvolle Assault Rifle: 34.1 Damage, 750 RPM, 426.25 DPS Lows: 1 armor rep of equal quality, 2x 87HP plates One guy has 4x Complex Damage mods at 1.1x multiplier each, the other has Complex Extenders, at +66 Shield HP each. Both have max Weaponry, AR Spec, armor, and shield skills. AR does 110% damage to shields, 90% damage to armor. Damage mod guy final stats: Shield HP: 281.25 Armor HP: 305.25 DPS: 789.45 (base1.1 weaponry1.15 spec1.11.11.11.1mods) Shield mod guy final stats: Shield HP: 545.25 Armor HP: 305.25 DPS: 539.20 (base1.1 weaponry1.15 spec) Damage mod guy kills shield guy in 1.058s. Shield guy kills damage mod guy in 0.904s. TLDR: Shield mods win.
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 47	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:09:00 - [6] - Quote Nice math but I'm not saying this is the ONLY issue Stacking on either needs diminishing returns It makes weapons too powerful and shields too strong Imbalances the heavy too......y spec into a suit for a less accurate shorter ranged weapon when an assault or logi can have just about as much HP as you and move faster AND carry equipment like repping nanos...... Its ridiculous and needs to b fixed b4 nething is needed OR buffed
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:11:00 - [7] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Damage mods aren't any more powerful than shield extenders, even without a stacking penalty. Please take my word for it and don't make me prove it mathematically again. It'll be a threadnaught. but theyre more assessable and easy to get max(what 300k SP?) compared to shields the skills(afew million ),your not going to be running up against max shield guys most of the time so not much resistance.
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 47	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:12:00 - [8] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Damage mods aren't any more powerful than shield extenders, even without a stacking penalty. Please take my word for it and don't make me prove it mathematically again. It'll be a threadnaught. but theyre more assessable and easy to get max(what 300k SP?) compared to shields the skills(afew million),your not going to be running up against max shield guys most of the time so not much resistance. This too
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 475	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:23:00 - [9] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Damage mods aren't any more powerful than shield extenders, even without a stacking penalty. Please take my word for it and don't make me prove it mathematically again. It'll be a threadnaught. but theyre more assessable and easy to get max(what 300k SP?) compared to shields the skills(afew million ),your not going to be running up against max shield guys most of the time so not much resistance. They're also easier to fit..
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 151	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:23:00 - [10] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Stacking on either needs diminishing returns You could sign me on board for that. It would put a bit more diversity in the game and make some of the non-damage mods/non-extender mids a bit more enticing. I just don't think one should be stacking penalized without the other getting the same treatment, though. Johnny Guilt wrote: but theyre more assessable and easy to get max(what 300k SP?) compared to shields the skills(afew million ),your not going to be running up against max shield guys most of the time so not much resistance. Very good point, but I don't think it's so unbalanced the way it is currently. As it stands now, Damage Mods are an easy stepping stone before skilling into shield extenders, though damage mods still lose to shield extenders most of the time. Damage mods are also pretty expensive both ISK and fitting-wise compared to extenders, which makes them less attractive in the long-run as well. I guess I could see it either way. I think the folks calling for a universal stacking penalty (not just for damage mods) are definitely onto something though.

Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 48	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:39:00 - [11] - Quote It is true matches are stale right now too.....maybe it would add a small bit of variety to matches...... Plus it would cut down scrubby players who are only decent because of them AND add learning curve Right now everyone uses the same thing......it gets really boring
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 51	Posted - 2013.03.17 10:37:00 - [12] - Quote They need it where you can only equip one dmg mod. Be it Complex Enhanced or Basic the choice is yours but only one of them.
Shadow Archeus Wraith Shadow Guards 53	Posted - 2013.03.17 18:47:00 - [13] - Quote It should but that would be too restricting......maybe it takes the lower or equal powered mod and cuts its effectiveness in half


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