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undeadsoldier90
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Posted - 2013.03.16 02:47:00 -
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I unlocked it about 2 days ago and I cant put it down. Greatest weapon in this game (that I have played with). Now I know a lot of people think it is OP.... I have to say that it is awesome but def not OP it still sucks at CQC as it should.
Now I have used it in 2 different scenarios. 1. Sitting somewhere out of direct combat and pretty much snipe people ( sharp shooter prof 2). I can average arpund 16-20 kills a game with no deaths. This is how I think the laser was built to play. 2. Running with a squad of AR'S and one logi bro. This play style is very active and dangerous, but wields greater results. I can average around 22-29 kills a match and maybe 1 death (logi rez so no isk loss).
The tactical squad and team advantages of both play styles is the same. Pinning, ranged kills, and anti sniper/AV are usually what the laser rifle does best. I have found that the aggressive playstyle is actually more effective at controlling the enemy teams movement.
Any thoughts or ideas you guys have would be awesome.
Undead out. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.16 02:52:00 -
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Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
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undeadsoldier90
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Posted - 2013.03.16 03:48:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
Yepp I remember those days..... when Gaston hmg's did 24 dmg..... good times.
I think my first match with it was when my squad rolled with you doug and 2 other imps I cant remember.... |
Kane Fyea
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:02:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
Yepp I remember those days..... when Gaston hmg's did 24 dmg..... good times. I think my first match with it was when my squad rolled with you doug and 2 other imps I cant remember.... I use to love my breach AR..... Not anymore though. |
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BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:02:00 -
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vizium? sounds like some kind of ***** enchantment pill |
undeadsoldier90
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:03:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
Yepp I remember those days..... when Gaston hmg's did 24 dmg..... good times. I think my first match with it was when my squad rolled with you doug and 2 other imps I cant remember.... I use to love my breach AR..... Not anymore though.
Too true..... now it sucks as bad as the tactical. |
Power Chord
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:08:00 -
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Amarr has their weapon made right. I've been rocking the Laser Rifle for distances and Scrambler Pistol for close encounters and it's amazing! I'm wondering though, is the Vizium really THAT much better? I seem to do doing pretty darn good with the basic one as is, thinking I'd rather work towards Light Sharpshooter Lv 5 first. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:10:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:I unlocked it about 2 days ago and I cant put it down. Greatest weapon in this game (that I have played with). Now I know a lot of people think it is OP.... I have to say that it is awesome but def not OP it still sucks at CQC as it should.
Now I have used it in 2 different scenarios. 1. Sitting somewhere out of direct combat and pretty much snipe people ( sharp shooter prof 2). I can average arpund 16-20 kills a game with no deaths. This is how I think the laser was built to play. 2. Running with a squad of AR'S and one logi bro. This play style is very active and dangerous, but wields greater results. I can average around 22-29 kills a match and maybe 1 death (logi rez so no isk loss).
The tactical squad and team advantages of both play styles is the same. Pinning, ranged kills, and anti sniper/AV are usually what the laser rifle does best. I have found that the aggressive playstyle is actually more effective at controlling the enemy teams movement.
Any thoughts or ideas you guys have would be awesome.
Undead out.
your lasers scare the crap outta me. |
WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:13:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
IDK if it's me but I stacked 3 complex damage mods with a STD LR and I didn't noticed a significant damage boost. So I just went shield stacking instead, snipers really get annoying without shields... |
Power Chord
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:37:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
IDK if it's me but I stacked 3 complex damage mods with a STD LR and I didn't noticed a significant damage boost. So I just went shield stacking instead, snipers really get annoying without shields... All percentage buffs tend to favor those with a higher base value by definition. The laser rifle's damage base value is only 15, so each additional 10% is not nearly as noticeable as for something like the GEK which has a damage base value of 32.5.
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WyrmHero1945
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:39:00 -
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Power Chord wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:Stack damage mods and you got a insta kill weapon.
Theres a reason people consider it OP(unbalanced) and they are correct it has the best alpha damage in the game and it was never tweaked or flattened toward the std version like every other weapon in this game was.
What you are wielding is the kind of dmg potential all proto weapons(especially ARs) had before the QQ.
IDK if it's me but I stacked 3 complex damage mods with a STD LR and I didn't noticed a significant damage boost. So I just went shield stacking instead, snipers really get annoying without shields... All percentage buffs tend to favor those with a higher base value by definition. The laser rifle's damage base value is only 15, so each additional 10% is not nearly as noticeable as for something like the GEK which has a damage base value of 32.5.
That makes so much sense thanks dude.
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The legend345
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:41:00 -
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i just got mine today because i started skilling into it before my tank. Its doesnt require a good suit so i love it ^-^. |
undeadsoldier90
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:57:00 -
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Power Chord wrote:Amarr has their weapon made right. I've been rocking the Laser Rifle for distances and Scrambler Pistol for close encounters and it's amazing! I'm wondering though, is the Vizium really THAT much better? I seem to do doing pretty darn good with the basic one as is, thinking I'd rather work towards Light Sharpshooter Lv 5 first.
Get your sharp up first. But yes the dmg is insane..... with 3 dmg mods its just stupid.
If you didn't know the elm at 3/4 heat does 225% more dmg.... the viz does 500% nough said.
Preheat your viz, scroll over mob, kill everyone. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:00:00 -
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I hate it |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:00:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Power Chord wrote:Amarr has their weapon made right. I've been rocking the Laser Rifle for distances and Scrambler Pistol for close encounters and it's amazing! I'm wondering though, is the Vizium really THAT much better? I seem to do doing pretty darn good with the basic one as is, thinking I'd rather work towards Light Sharpshooter Lv 5 first. Get your sharp up first. But yes the dmg is insane..... with 3 dmg mods its just stupid. If you didn't know the elm at 3/4 heat does 225% more dmg.... the viz does 500% nough said. Preheat your viz, scroll over mob, kill everyone.
what up deady |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:06:00 -
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Most obviously OP weapon in the game. Get a good smg or work on your headshots with a pistol, and you'll be unstoppable... I think that will be my next weapon I spec into. |
Rifter7
Improvise.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:09:00 -
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i use it when i feel i wont be swarmed by angry lemmings.. damn things expensive and they get mad after being spawn killed so much.
i found i didn't need damage mods on it, and that the weapon itself could barely support them due to it's incredibly high cpu cost.
if you roll with a shield tank and overheat the weapon about 10-20 rounds into cover while just an inch below headglitching you'll be able to drop the first target u hit popping out of cover and can sustain any kind of long range ar fire or a sniper shot while you finish the lasers cycle.
near the very end anything with low hp (like snipers, militia kids, dmg modded suits) will drop almost instantly and getting anywhere from 2-5 kills isn't unlikely depending on how grouped and exposed they are... you just have to be able to survive a few hits at range as they WILL start shooting back once they see what's happening.
be careful of ar's if you go the damage mod route btw. sharpshooter can let them hit outside of your optimal if thats anything to go by and theres usually more than one of them around..
the things not unstoppable tho.. a skilled ar can be frightening in a slightly closer range all the way to the lasers dead zone. it's a strong weapon in it's niche, but it's left me considering training into ar's next. |
GetShotUp
Arrogance.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 07:06:00 -
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i just unlocked the standard laser and I really like it. I'm close to unlocking the ELM and I'm definitely aiming for that Vziam. I'll just use it for certain occasions.
you better run that heavy when i see you!!! ;) |
Enkidu Camuel
The Tritan Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:08:00 -
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Stacking damage mods in a Viziam or any of the other Laser rifles is stupid, as a dedicated Laser user stacking shield extenders is the best way to be a very effective Laser user. the default damage of those weapons is fine, I'm currently using the ELM and I feel that it's enough for me, with sharpshooter lvl 4 and with a clear line of sight I can kill almost anyone without problems, and as a secondary weapon of choice is the SMG and I can win the 80% of the CQC situations against closer enemies, the only way they can kill me in CQC is with stacked damage mods, shotguns or HMG's.
And yes, I could skill up to get my own Viziams... but the fact is that everyone here knows that the Lasers are in the possible "to be nerfed or tweaked" list of CCP, and I don't really want to waste SP to get lvl 5 and then discover that the banhammer destroyed the proto weapon that I was trying to use... so yeah, I'll stay with ELM. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:17:00 -
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Power Chord wrote:Amarr has their weapon made right. I've been rocking the Laser Rifle for distances and Scrambler Pistol for close encounters and it's amazing! I'm wondering though, is the Vizium really THAT much better? I seem to do doing pretty darn good with the basic one as is, thinking I'd rather work towards Light Sharpshooter Lv 5 first.
Yes the Vaziam is that much better but it is 80k ISK and worth it. At the correct range it will melt a heavy in a few seconds and scout doesn't even know what hit them. I think it is the most fun weapon. As your SS level rises your effective distance goes with it and the damage it does follows also. When the hit marker turns from white to red you are at the best distance and I think doing more than 100% damage and it is a shield killer on vehicles. You can watch the HP fall off at range. Very fun. |
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Rifter7
Improvise.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:28:00 -
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christ on a bike, it's spelled viziam. |
mott royon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:47:00 -
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I love the Viziam and almost always use it. It is good at what it does but horrible at close range. Specing into SMG's or scrambler pistols is a must. Even use the damage mods for secondary just so it is easier. Depends on the maps too, the peaks map is perfect for it same with the strait pipe and L pipe one. AR's is my back up when i get bored of staying back and in maps with more CQC. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:55:00 -
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I love and hate seeing these threads, I've just started using the laser rifle for about 3 weeks now. I have to agree with the OP thats is a God weapon and I was going to post a thread like this one but I don't want to see it nerfed like the other weapons in the game. |
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