Prof is damage.

But Ops reducing spread does NOTHING for a Shotgun's range. Only maxed-out Sharpshooter and the more range-focused Shotgun types can get this kind of result.

The Shotguns with the range buffs don't have enough drawbacks, imo. They're still capable of (especially with Prof and Weaponry skills maxed or nearly so) one-shotting most suits at pretty insane distances. SMGs in the right hands can compete with any other shotgun by keeping outside the Shotgun's effective range.

Although the spread is still there even with the maxed-out SG Ops, and so is a significant enough falloff that at 43m you're not going to be one-shotting a Militia Scout unless you get really lucky with all the pellets being traced in a single line into the target's head, let alone something with actual HP behind it.

Shotgun Prof is firerate not damage

So Light Sharpshooter needs a nerf.

I think damage fall off would be good. still it looks scarier than it really is at 40+ meters. it tends to scare people and chip shields but it would take all 8 shots to have really done any effective damage at that distance. That's speaking from personal experience at those ranges. Btw, yes as stated prof is just rate of fire increase(3% per 15% total) but the reason my shotty reaches out and touches people as you can see is because i have dumped out a ton of points to get proficiency lvl 3 on range. If i went toe to toe with most other weapons with that much sp into range id still be out matched, but not necessarily out gunned depending on how it plays out.

I've been a shotgun wielder since beta peeps, you guys know this. I specialize in it and do what i can to buff it. Range has always been the down fall of the shotgun and i try to mitigate that by getting as much range and as much speed as i can to close gaps. I agree ccp needs to tweak the way the range buffs works hands down, maybe reduce the percentage each level gives.

Hell, Shotgun is OP. Watching the video i saw first hand how OP it can be. When Tryhard takes out beelz at the CRU and annie rounds the corner and 2 pumps him in the chest it looked like an insta KO almost. I had never seen what it was like through the receiving ends eyes so i really never gave it much thought. Now that i see it, holy ****. That's what i've been doing to people?! I feel kinda bad about it.

I think damage fall off would be good. still it looks scarier than it really is at 40+ meters. it tends to scare people and chip shields but it would take all 8 shots to have really done any effective damage at that distance. That's speaking from personal experience at those ranges. Btw, yes as stated prof is just rate of fire increase(3% per 15% total) but the reason my shotty reaches out and touches people as you can see is because i have dumped out a ton of points to get proficiency lvl 3 on range. If i went toe to toe with most other weapons with that much sp into range id still be out matched, but not necessarily out gunned depending on how it plays out.

I've been a shotgun wielder since beta peeps, you guys know this. I specialize in it and do what i can to buff it. Range has always been the down fall of the shotgun and i try to mitigate that by getting as much range and as much speed as i can to close gaps. I agree ccp needs to tweak the way the range buffs works hands down, maybe reduce the percentage each level gives.

Hell, Shotgun is OP. Watching the video i saw first hand how OP it can be. When Tryhard takes out beelz at the CRU and annie rounds the corner and 2 pumps him in the chest it looked like an insta KO almost. I had never seen what it was like through the receiving ends eyes so i really never gave it much thought. Now that i see it, holy ****. That's what i've been doing to people?! I feel kinda bad about it.

Double shotguns in the corp battle was part of the reason they lost. Given that is a good map for a shotty. The shotgun fails at tactics. They couldn't even touch znig or inhuman up where that drop uplink was. They just kept pushing and pushing for A at one point, instead of trying to pick apart the tactics PFBhz was using.

When we played STBs A team in a corp battle they got stuck on manus peak with the twin shotties on a huge map. It was a much more one sided battle. They totally took advantage of that map against PFB.

You think so? Because it looked like the shotguns in that battle was the only reason why it was so close.

idk why shotguns have such a better range than SMGs as well thats another mind boggler

idk why shotguns have such a better range than SMGs as well thats another mind boggler

I think damage fall off would be good. still it looks scarier than it really is at 40+ meters. it tends to scare people and chip shields but it would take all 8 shots to have really done any effective damage at that distance. That's speaking from personal experience at those ranges. Btw, yes as stated prof is just rate of fire increase(3% per 15% total) but the reason my shotty reaches out and touches people as you can see is because i have dumped out a ton of points to get proficiency lvl 3 on range. If i went toe to toe with most other weapons with that much sp into range id still be out matched, but not necessarily out gunned depending on how it plays out.

I've been a shotgun wielder since beta peeps, you guys know this. I specialize in it and do what i can to buff it. Range has always been the down fall of the shotgun and i try to mitigate that by getting as much range and as much speed as i can to close gaps. I agree ccp needs to tweak the way the range buffs works hands down, maybe reduce the percentage each level gives.

Hell, Shotgun is OP. Watching the video i saw first hand how OP it can be. When Tryhard takes out beelz at the CRU and annie rounds the corner and 2 pumps him in the chest it looked like an insta KO almost. I had never seen what it was like through the receiving ends eyes so i really never gave it much thought. Now that i see it, holy ****. That's what i've been doing to people?! I feel kinda bad about it.

same
pretty much any cqc map is like that, shotguns atm are too effect at certain ranges
same thing PFB did against us was pretty much 5 shotguns, 1 hmg, 1 laser, 1 tank and a whole lot of fused nades

whats even more ******** is the HKM does prototype dmg (same as credron) , requires no skills to use as well

idk why shotguns have such a better range than SMGs as well thats another mind boggler

I wish we could get some more AR 1v1s in corp battles, but this game is terribly imbalanced. It gives people to many ways to get cheap kills requiring very little skill.

How about setting up AR only corp battles? Have a gentlemans agreement to use only ARs. I wonder how many corps will actually be able to pull this one off.

CQC is absolutely dominated by the shotgun atm. The shotguns were really the only reason it wasn't a redline. I never use shotguns, but I ran the HK4M vs SyN and got top kills, it is that easy to use. You don't even need skills to run the proto type shotgun with the merc pack. It's a cheap, but very effective tactic on CQC maps. I probably should have ran shotgun again, but I was looking forward to using a balac for the 1st time.

I wish we could get some more AR 1v1s in corp battles, but this game is terribly imbalanced. It gives people to many ways to get cheap kills requiring very little skill.

Footage of the match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPOQSExMZPA

CCP, please explain to me what you think a shotgun is. The best example of how ridiculously broken the range on shotguns are is absolutely at 15:41. Tryhard is on the roof of the structure, with Calamity Jane 43m away, and at 15:41 you can clearly see Jane's shotgun blast fly past Tryhard's head to the right, from 43 meters AWAY!! I thought shotguns were supposed to be a close range weapon!

Also, great job PFBHz, you guys are amazing!

CQC is absolutely dominated by the shotgun atm. The shotguns were really the only reason it wasn't a redline. I never use shotguns, but I ran the HK4M vs SyN and got top kills, it is that easy to use. You don't even need skills to run the proto type shotgun with the merc pack. It's a cheap, but very effective tactic on CQC maps. I probably should have ran shotgun again, but I was looking forward to using a balac for the 1st time.

I wish we could get some more AR 1v1s in corp battles, but this game is terribly imbalanced. It gives people to many ways to get cheap kills requiring very little skill.