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Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:41:00 -
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When using an HMG? Of all the classes, they're the one with the lowest amount of shield and armor, and HMGs have the highest rate of fire. CCP, why the hell can't I take out a damn scout? |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
75
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:44:00 -
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Maybe you should just quit the game. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
342
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:44:00 -
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Cause your noob.
LOL jk
I dont know they do have the highest regen and lowest down time for their shields though. |
Fanboy Slayer
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:46:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Cause your noob
/Thread. |
James Thraxton
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:46:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:When using an HMG? Of all the classes, they're the one with the lowest amount of shield and armor, and HMGs have the highest rate of fire. CCP, why the hell can't I take out a damn scout?
hit detection is fubar, and scouts are asians in rave suits, like hitting a fly with a . . .minigun |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
510
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:47:00 -
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Also HMGs do less damage to shields. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:52:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields.
if that's true it's sad most pro hmg users take down 400 shields in less then 2 seconds. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
329
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:57:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields. if that's true it's sad most pro hmg users take down 400 shields in less then 2 seconds.
Clarification: "they do slightly less damage to shields than armor"
so its like 90% to shields and 110% to armor or something silly like that. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
456
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:02:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:calisk galern wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields. if that's true it's sad most pro hmg users take down 400 shields in less then 2 seconds. Clarification: "they do slightly less damage to shields than armor" so its like 90% to shields and 110% to armor or something silly like that.
I can just barely notice a difference with my lower damage SMGs (similar % vs. shield/armor), so I'd imagine the difference for a Heavy's victim would be mere fractions of a second. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:13:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields.
Has that been tested and proven in-game? Has CCP put that in developer notes? |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1983
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:14:00 -
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Scouts are a smaller target. Less of your shots are hitting.
Scouts move fast. They spend less time in your sights, meaning less of your shots are hitting.
Scouts have fast shield regen and a short delay. When they take cover, their shields usually recover before you can reacquire the target.
HMGs deal (slightly) reduced damage against shields. Until you're hitting armour, you're not at your best.
Combine all of the above and I'm sure you can see why a Scout is going to take more HMG fire than most. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:14:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:calisk galern wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields. if that's true it's sad most pro hmg users take down 400 shields in less then 2 seconds. Clarification: "they do slightly less damage to shields than armor" so its like 90% to shields and 110% to armor or something silly like that.
I suppose in the world of video game development, that makes perfect sense. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:17:00 -
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bv any chance was this scout me when i rushed u over and over with nova knifes yesterday |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:18:00 -
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bv any chance was this scout me when i rushed u over and over with nova knifes yesterday |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:18:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Scouts are a smaller target. Less of your shots are hitting.
Scouts move fast. They spend less time in your sights, meaning less of your shots are hitting.
Scouts have fast shield regen and a short delay. When they take cover, their shields usually recover before you can reacquire the target.
HMGs deal (slightly) reduced damage against shields. Until you're hitting armour, you're not at your best.
Combine all of the above and I'm sure you can see why a Scout is going to take more HMG fire than most.
So is it game design when a scout's pixels are shifting, indicating to me either a connection on par with the time lag between Earth and Voyager 1, or terrible game design on CCP's part.
For anybody that plays EVE, aside from lasers, wouldn't a fast firing weapon theoretically be best to take down shields, apart from a weapon solely dedicated to that purpose (only similar thing on Dust are flux grenades)? |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:19:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:bv any chance was this scout me when i rushed u over and over with nova knifes yesterday
No, I kept killing you. Different one that happened earlier today (Tuesday). Didn't even take out half the person's shields. |
Wicked Glory
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
115
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:20:00 -
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Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim? |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:22:00 -
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maybe really good shield module also u have to give me credit for my 11 nova knife killstreak til i met u |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:25:00 -
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Wicked Glory wrote:Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim?
LOL Go away, nobody likes you. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:26:00 -
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Wicked Glory wrote:Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim?
if he can take me out in close quarters when im 10 times faster then normal scout(advanced kinetic catalyser) then he's good |
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Wicked Glory
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
115
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:28:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Wicked Glory wrote:Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim? LOL Go away, nobody likes you.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
450
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:32:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Also HMGs do less damage to shields. Has that been tested and proven in-game? Has CCP put that in developer notes?
There's definitely CCP-sourced info to that effect. Apologies but I don't have a link for you atm. Will post it if I find it. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1996
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:33:00 -
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I'm pretty sure there's a hit detection issue right now between the HMG and Shields.
As a workaround, I carry flux grenades at all times  |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
329
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:34:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:Wicked Glory wrote:Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim? if he can take me out in close quarters when im 10 times faster then normal scout(advanced kinetic catalyser) then he's good
The kinetic catalyzer is the red vial yea? Isn that a 7% bonus to only sprint speed at advanced? They are useful but not that useful.
Now the green vial... at proto is 100% too stam and recharge... you can sprint forever! If I hav to flee I star running wnd don't stop till I'm damn suee the heavy can't follow me. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:51:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:Wicked Glory wrote:Because you're functionally ret+árded and can't aim? if he can take me out in close quarters when im 10 times faster then normal scout(advanced kinetic catalyser) then he's good The kinetic catalyzer is the red vial yea? Isn that a 7% bonus to only sprint speed at advanced? They are useful but not that useful. Now the green vial... at proto is 100% too stam and recharge... you can sprint forever! If I hav to flee I star running wnd don't stop till I'm damn suee the heavy can't follow me.
I follow those I deem to die no matter what I'm using. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:57:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:When using an HMG? Of all the classes, they're the one with the lowest amount of shield and armor, and HMGs have the highest rate of fire. CCP, why the hell can't I take out a damn scout?
the scout's shield recharge starts at 4 seconds. you can use 2 high-end shield stabs to bring it down 50%. that means his shield is coming back after 2 seconds if you don't keep doing damage.
after you max out his shield, he still only has to wait 5 seconds for it to start coming back, as the stabs pull down the 10 second recharge. |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
238
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:00:00 -
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When you train your weapon on someone it says 'weapon efficiency' it will have one number when that target has shields and another when they don't. That is how you know the weapon's efficiency against shield/armor.
Also, when you have a fairly poor spread on your HMG that much fewer rounds are going to hit on a smaller hitbox on the scout. So especially if they are strafing, and it is very possible to strafe around the tracking speed of a HMG, they could be in the sweet spot of the HMG for a lot less time than an assault. Then factor in shield recharge rate and they could seem stronger.
Also, I've noticed shields recharging even seemingly while taking damage. Its like there is certain damage that applies and some that doesn't. I'm wondering if a lot of splash damage doesn't make shields delay...? |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:01:00 -
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You do realise that you have to spin up the HMG to make it accurate right? Because if you're just spraying short bursts in the general direction of a scout running perpendicular to you, you're not going to hit a goddamn thing. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1986
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:06:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:So is it game design when a scout's pixels are shifting, indicating to me either a connection on par with the time lag between Earth and Voyager 1, or terrible game design on CCP's part.
That would be lag. And with the game running everything server-side on dedicated servers, this means the problem is most likely at your end when the majority of players don't have the same problem on anything resembling a regular basis.
Quote:For anybody that plays EVE, aside from lasers, wouldn't a fast firing weapon theoretically be best to take down shields, apart from a weapon solely dedicated to that purpose (only similar thing on Dust are flux grenades)?
Kinetic weapons, regardless of fire rate, are better against armour. Energy weapons, regardless of fire rate, are better against shields. Hybrid weapons (Blasters and Railguns) can deal both energy and kinetic damage.
There are specific resistances that can be applied to shields or armour against certain types of damage within each class, but DUST doesn't seem to be going that far into EVE levels of detail. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:42:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:You do realise that you have to spin up the HMG to make it accurate right? Because if you're just spraying short bursts in the general direction of a scout running perpendicular to you, you're not going to hit a goddamn thing.
Do you really think I'm that stupid? |
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