DUST Search - What do others think of DUST 514?

Orenji Jiji wrote:

P2W rant disguised as review? OK...

We already verified that only thing AUR items are good for, when you don't have the SP invested, is giving your opponents good ISK rewards for skinning you alive in your real-money-suits. Getting something two weeks earlier looks good on paper, but you're better off using gear that matches your SP.

And yeah, reload is slow -- without SP invested -- but saying you got to spend AUR to overcome this? Haha.

Guy says the spawn system does not work... he proves it by running into enemy spawn location and failing to kill single freshly spawned red. The red he tries to off puts him down with ease. He feels that it supports his point. I literally LOL'd at this point.

Mechanics not working and broken? Yeah, his aim is ******, he is not aware of his surroundings and does not mind getting damage at all. He's a newb. He can't plan ahead, he wants to run and gun. And run faster, because running is what shooters are all about.

TL;DR Hopefully he will keep his uninformed mouth shut, as promised. I feel dumber because I've watched this.

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lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 357	Posted - 2013.03.11 04:16:00 - [1] - Quote I have alot of friends that I have met through social networking and alot of them are FPS youtubers suach as battlefield and call Of Duty. I have tried to turn alot of my "friends" on to Dust and teach them how to play, which is a chore within itself at times. This is basically what happens when I try to bring players over from the Darkside (COD), watch the whole thing, the last 1min is the best. This is a reoccuring thing. http://youtu.be/vuOXS3sboB0
Mad Rambo Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.03.11 05:49:00 - [2] - Quote he pointed out known problems like spawn system, performance and controls but the whole pay 2 win discussion made it look like he is very new to F2P games. Basically all he said regarding F2P was wrong and does not apply to dust or any other F2P game i know. but what did you expect? Its like asking somebody from the WOW fourms to write a eve review.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 357	Posted - 2013.03.11 06:13:00 - [3] - Quote Mad Rambo wrote: he pointed out known problems like spawn system, performance and controls but the whole pay 2 win discussion made it look like he is very new to F2P games. Basically all he said regarding F2P was wrong and does not apply to dust or any other F2P game i know. but what did you expect? Its like asking somebody from the WOW fourms to write a eve review. you are correct. I think it is just backbone. It is rare for someone to just come into this game and be a beast and know everything overnight. There is alot of learning and adjustments to make with this game. That and there is little instant gratification.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 480	Posted - 2013.03.11 07:45:00 - [4] - Quote it sux they cant even play it due to bugs and i feel like an ashole for talking them into it he cant even join squads due to "illegal channel name" error.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 490	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:04:00 - [5] - Quote Crying about not being able to reload fast enough to finish off a guy? What a n00b.
Kalante Schiffer UnReaL. 186	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:13:00 - [6] - Quote His P2W rant was laughable.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:17:00 - [7] - Quote My PSN friends and litte bro trid Dust 514 and they all dont like it and probably wont be coming back since the whole gameplay feels like "Cod in space" except there vehicles. They think it's too complicated for what their getting out of it and it isnt worth their time in the long run,so they go back to there other online games. I myself dont know what to feel of this game,i guess im just killing time till the another game catchs my eye.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2388	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:34:00 - [8] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Mad Rambo wrote: he pointed out known problems like spawn system, performance and controls but the whole pay 2 win discussion made it look like he is very new to F2P games. Basically all he said regarding F2P was wrong and does not apply to dust or any other F2P game i know. but what did you expect? Its like asking somebody from the WOW fourms to write a eve review. you are correct. I think it is just backbone. It is rare for someone to just come into this game and be a beast and know everything overnight. There is alot of learning and adjustments to make with this game. That and there is little instant gratification. tbh there is no gratification atm its all pubbin atm and its boring
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 62	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:37:00 - [9] - Quote The guy that made the review was an idiot. That is all.....
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 361	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:45:00 - [10] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: lowratehitman wrote: Mad Rambo wrote: he pointed out known problems like spawn system, performance and controls but the whole pay 2 win discussion made it look like he is very new to F2P games. Basically all he said regarding F2P was wrong and does not apply to dust or any other F2P game i know. but what did you expect? Its like asking somebody from the WOW fourms to write a eve review. you are correct. I think it is just backbone. It is rare for someone to just come into this game and be a beast and know everything overnight. There is alot of learning and adjustments to make with this game. That and there is little instant gratification. tbh there is no gratification atm its all pubbin atm and its boring after getting close to 6 million sp, the gratification comes far and few between, but I still enjoy the game.

Orenji Jiji Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 8	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:57:00 - [11] - Quote P2W rant disguised as review? OK... We already verified that only thing AUR items are good for, when you don't have the SP invested, is giving your opponents good ISK rewards for skinning you alive in your real-money-suits. Getting something two weeks earlier looks good on paper, but you're better off using gear that matches your SP. And yeah, reload is slow -- without SP invested -- but saying you got to spend AUR to overcome this? Haha. Guy says the spawn system does not work... he proves it by running into enemy spawn location and failing to kill single freshly spawned red. The red he tries to off puts him down with ease. He feels that it supports his point. I literally LOL'd at this point. Mechanics not working and broken? Yeah, his aim is ******, he is not aware of his surroundings and does not mind getting damage at all. He's a newb. He can't plan ahead, he wants to run and gun. And run faster, because running is what shooters are all about. TL;DR Hopefully he will keep his uninformed mouth shut, as promised. I feel dumber because I've watched this.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 965	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:18:00 - [12] - Quote Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see?
Panther Alpha WarRavens 101	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:21:00 - [13] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see? I thought was something wrong with my computer ..... please to know i'm not the only one.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1939	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:24:00 - [14] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see? I thought was something wrong with my computer ..... please to know i'm not the only one. There was a link, there isn't any more. I'm guessing either OP or moderator edit. Hoping it's the former, because silencing a voice pointing out that stupid people are always going to be stupid seems counter-productive to me.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 361	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:25:00 - [15] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see? I apologize, I removed it. The amount of hate the video was recieving, I would not be much of a friend for leaving the link up, and I should have not posted it. I was just wanting share a problem I have been having with getting friends over here. Perhaps Dust is a acquired taste that I enjoy...
Beld Errmon UnReaL. 519	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:47:00 - [16] - Quote Honestly I wouldn't try to bring people to dust, its much like EVE you've got to want to play it yourself and have the drive to learn how to get the most out of it for yourself, a bit of a guide is fine but spending weeks training someone and trying to defend the game/games just isn't worth it. Sink or swim.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 965	Posted - 2013.03.11 10:49:00 - [17] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see? I apologize, I removed it. The amount of hate the video was recieving, I would not be much of a friend for leaving the link up, and I should have not posted it. I was just wanting share a problem I have been having with getting friends over here. Perhaps Dust is a acquired taste that I enjoy... Ehh, ok. Ill just lurk through youtube until i find a review video thats similar to thw one thats being talked about
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 490	Posted - 2013.03.11 11:41:00 - [18] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Am i missing something here, is there i a link i cant see? I apologize, I removed it. The amount of hate the video was recieving, I would not be much of a friend for leaving the link up, and I should have not posted it. I was just wanting share a problem I have been having with getting friends over here. Perhaps Dust is a acquired taste that I enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuOXS3sboB0 Oh my, I accidentally pressed alt-v and somehow a link was added to my post.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2388	Posted - 2013.03.11 12:14:00 - [19] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: lowratehitman wrote: Mad Rambo wrote: he pointed out known problems like spawn system, performance and controls but the whole pay 2 win discussion made it look like he is very new to F2P games. Basically all he said regarding F2P was wrong and does not apply to dust or any other F2P game i know. but what did you expect? Its like asking somebody from the WOW fourms to write a eve review. you are correct. I think it is just backbone. It is rare for someone to just come into this game and be a beast and know everything overnight. There is alot of learning and adjustments to make with this game. That and there is little instant gratification. tbh there is no gratification atm its all pubbin atm and its boring after getting close to 6 million sp, the gratification comes far and few between, but I still enjoy the game. to each his own i guess. myself and many others tho are bored and atm dust feels sorta like a 2nd job
Billi Gene The Legion Academy 131	Posted - 2013.03.11 14:01:00 - [20] - Quote he's correct about using aurum being pay to win... in essence. he said something along the lines of using aurum to reduce reload speed, yes? well go buy an active and passive skill point booster and tell me that he was wrong... it is subtle, but buying aurum is an advantage, not much of one, but enough that it is required for min/max'ing. will continue watching his vid now :D... just had to get that off my chest :P

Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 448	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:01:00 - [21] - Quote This is the issue at the heart of whether our DUST longship is gonna be seaworthy enough to cross the deep water and land us on the shores where the fatter, weaker FPS's live so that we can pillage their playerbases. I'm worried and not worried. Worried because http://dustboard.com/global says 1,810,327 peeps have downloaded the DUST client and set up a character(that's my assumption about what that number means, please correct me if i'm wrong). It is a safe bet to assume peeps who have created a merc have also tried the game. 1.8 million of them, in fact(yes there are duplicate characters, and peeps with multiple accounts, but not enough to change the argument here). The frightening part, to me at least, is that at peak load on weekends, Tranqility( http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility and http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php) has at most ~60,000 peeps on. Of those, more than half(66% is my estimate) are EVE players. You can verify this by checking the player count on EVE's login screen and subtracting that number from what the Tranquility-tracking websites are reporting. This gives us a peak of about 20,000 for DUST players, with maybe an average of 10,000. Most(the vast majority) of those characters have been created since DUST went open beta on January 22nd, so say 50 days for ease of calculation. Derating that 1.8 million to maybe 1.5 million, we can see that the %age of peeps playing DUST at any one time is AT MOST 20,000/1,500,000 or 1.3%. Is this good, bad or normal? If we assume all players put only one hour a week into DUST, what would we expect? This gives us an average player count of 1500000/(723 hours), or 9316 players, pretty close to what we're seeing from the server stats. At this point we run out of data. The first question to ask yourself is how many hours are you* putting into the game? And from your observations and conversations, do you think the average DUST player is putting in more, less, or about the same time each week? This is where I start to worry. I'm putting in about 20 hours a week(don't judge me, i'm a fps noob and gotta learn the hard way, ok? Plus there's the skillpoint grind). I know from chat channels i'm in that many peeps put in similar hours. If my experience is typical then the implication is many peeps try DUST and never play it again. And we know from the wide word of formus why peeps are turned off - it's the 1999 look/feel of the game. It's the unreliable core mechanics. Those are the two main complaints I see out there, anyway. Plus maybe the uber-pawnge peeps have to take as new players. The estimate I've seen as to the PS3 fps playerbase is 10 million people. At the same retention rate we've had so far that means we'll end up with a playerbase of about 5 times what we have right now. Is that enough for DUST to survive? I'm not worried because I expect 95% of all people who try EVE to quit it too. New Eden is definitely not for everybody, or even most people. But it has an undeniable depth, quality and even reality that some peeps find hard to resist. And the silver lining to sending so many players away is that those who stay are generally invested in New Eden and good competition. I'm not worried about DUST because each major build is stepping up the quality of the core mechanics noticeably, and if CCP doesn't lose the plot version 1.0 should be reasonably polished and playable. That should improve retention and get some peeps back. I'm not worried about DUST because for my money, it's the only real war availiable online. Everything else is arbitray and feels like cheap game mechanics to me. I'm sure others feel the same way. Even if another great company writes such a game, what vibrant online economically-driven world could they connect it to? WOW? Second Life? What else? Any company trying to follow in CCP's footsteps would have to invent it all from scratch. And that will prolly happen sooner or later, but they're going to have to go through all the growing pains that CCP has weathered and learned from. I'm not worried because as much as we complain, it's obvious that CCP is deeply engaged with the playerbase, but at the same time is commited to and creatively driven by their own dark vision. That's a very good sign. Aplogies for all that. In the end, I just don't know yet. I think a lot is riding on release 0.8, and I think the heart of it is core mechanics. That's what' driving players away.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 4	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:07:00 - [22] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: P2W rant disguised as review? OK... We already verified that only thing AUR items are good for, when you don't have the SP invested, is giving your opponents good ISK rewards for skinning you alive in your real-money-suits. Getting something two weeks earlier looks good on paper, but you're better off using gear that matches your SP. And yeah, reload is slow -- without SP invested -- but saying you got to spend AUR to overcome this? Haha. Guy says the spawn system does not work... he proves it by running into enemy spawn location and failing to kill single freshly spawned red. The red he tries to off puts him down with ease. He feels that it supports his point. I literally LOL'd at this point. Mechanics not working and broken? Yeah, his aim is ******, he is not aware of his surroundings and does not mind getting damage at all. He's a newb. He can't plan ahead, he wants to run and gun. And run faster, because running is what shooters are all about. TL;DR Hopefully he will keep his uninformed mouth shut, as promised. I feel dumber because I've watched this. Hes new what do you expect. Your argument is that because hes new to the game his conclusion has no merit? Bashing new player helps no one... well excluding you gaining likes. Furthermore, he actually makes some real points about the problems plaguing this game. 1. Hit detection 2. Lag 3. Frame rate 4. Player vs Player imbalances 5. Gaining SP faster through AUR I agree this is not a proper review, and he needs to explore more of the game. However, bashing people because they have different views on this game is kinda lame. Especially when they're kinda right.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1943	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:10:00 - [23] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: he's correct about using aurum being pay to win... in essence. he said something along the lines of using aurum to reduce reload speed, yes? well go buy an active and passive skill point booster and tell me that he was wrong... You spend Aurum on enough boosters to max-speed grind to Light Weapon Rapid Reload 5 and the proficiency skill to level 5, then grind your way to the same level in those skills on an alt without spending Aurum, and tell me which one can reload their AR faster, then try to tell me that he's right. Quote: it is subtle, but buying aurum is an advantage, not much of one, but enough that it is required for min/max'ing. All you need without AUR is some patience. It doesn't help you min/max, it helps you skimp on grinding, or it makes the grind go faster. It doesn't give you ANYTHING AT ALL that you can't get without it. That isn't pay-to-win. It's pay-to-do-stuff-sooner. But PTDSS isn't a cool-looking acronym like P2W, so it's easier to just call it "not P2W".
Mad Rambo Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote just wanted to add this to my post: its completely fine if you don't know a game or don't like it or don't like it before you even play tested it. However making a REVIEW of a game you don't know and don't like which is currently in beta, and rating it 0.5 of 5 already tells enough about the channel. Nobody with half a brain rates anything before it is released. Even minecraft did not receive a rating until recently. The video really is a random rant.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 390	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:20:00 - [25] - Quote The last FPS I enjoyed, aside from Dust, was Halo 2. I've tried CoD and Battlefield, and while I enjoy Battlefield more than CoD, I enjoy Dust more than both of those. I'm just not a very big fan of twitch shooters. And let it be know that I suck at Dust, but I enjoy it none the less.


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