DUST Search - WP Based On Weapon Used For Kills

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

As I was going to post:

Comments such as

This must be a troll thread
I stopped reading at x paragraph
I stopped reading when I realised OP was a [insulting adjective] kitten
I stopped reading because the next post after OP was an I stopped reading post.
I didn't read at all, but here's my opinion.
I made up a tl;dr version for you, but I didn't read the post properly.
is this a troll thread? Because this idea is ridiculous

Simply shut down any imaginative, intuitive, hopeful feedback. The majority of the population are probably afraid to suggest their own ideas because of the minority who keyboard warrior (including me) and bash threads for the sake of it.

My dropship thread was received relatively well compared to others. But I spent a good day working on it before I posted it. A few hours on the main ideas, then the rest of the time attacking my own bloody thread trying to find every kittening angle it could be looked at negatively to foolproof it against the above posts.

We really need to stop cutting people down to our own ignorant heights; and blinding them to their own genius.

Tl;dr: you're all douchebags.


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Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 294	Posted - 2013.03.10 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote People complain endlessly about tanks, swarms, AV grenades, ARs, Snipers, etc. Perhaps we should change the WP value for each kill gained based upon the weapon used. WP effect both your SP total and your ISK income, therefore cutting the WP you gain by killing an enemy with an easy to use weapon could be cut while getting kills with a harder to use weapon could be increased in order to promote the use of more skill oriented weapons. for example: Mass drivers are notorious for being both annoying to enemies and low kill count weapons when compared to other weapons. Take a mass driver away from almost anyone and replace it with an AR, and their kill count will rise 90% of the time. It's a support weapon that requires skill, aim and time calculation to use properly, and even then you will need at least 3 rounds to take out a decently fitted (read: low fitted B-Series or well fitted Type-II) assault suit with an advanced level mass driver (EXO). If you switch to the assault variant, you are looking at closer to 5~6 rounds per kill. The weapon has very limited ammo, small clips, is a danger to the operator at close range, and is very difficult to properly operate at long range. Therefore I would bump the WP for getting a kill with a MD up to 55~60 WP per kill. The AR, as we all know, is the easiest to use and most versatile weapon. Not going to go into the perks and negatives, because ANY FPS player knows them. I would reduce the WP for the AR down to 40~45 WP per kill. Sniper rifles are the next easiest weapon to use and can be used from complete safety with no need to be in harms way. This one is tricky, and though it would be hard to code, I think SR kill WP should be based on the distance the enemy is from you. Extreme range kills should remain the same, 100m-400m should be~35-40, 50-100 meters 40~45, and kills under 50 meters away should award 60~65 in order to award the snipers putting themselves in harms way. As for AV grenades... if you kill a vehicle with an AV grenade and get kills for it, the WP value should be around 40 WP per kill, but the rewards for killing a vehicle need to be adjusted, so I'd like to see that done before I come up with a final number there. I'll leave my example at that and wait for your responses. As a way to counter balance these changes, I would also be interested in seeing a skill shot bonus for the final bullet you shoot to kill an enemy being a headshot. For mass drivers I'd say have that bonus count for a direct hit since headshots are very rare and extraordinary difficult compared to other weapons (this wasn't supposed to be a pro mass driver thread, but it seems to be leaning that way). So, what would you guys think of something like this? Down the road of course, there's no way they could code this before next build.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 294	Posted - 2013.03.10 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I stopped at the first paragraph. How do you determine a weapon is "easy to use?" My mom could play the game and wouldn't able to hit sh*t with an AR, even if most people agree it's an easy to use weapon, so it's really just pure bias, with no objective way to measure it. Easy to use, as in they require the least amount of calculation to use. AR= Aim, track, shoot MD=Aim based on terrain (for example, at a wall behind an enemy who has a height advantage) and account for the arc, attempt to gauge the time it will take the round to land, track, shoot SR=Aim, track, shoot LR=Gauge the distance from you to the enemy to determine if it's worth trying to drop them based on how much damage you will do at that range and giving away your position, HEAVY tracking, shoot Etc.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 294	Posted - 2013.03.10 03:32:00 - [3] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I'd just like to elaborate that I don't hate this idea, I just know it will cause far too much QQ for it to be implemented. lol, it's like Zitro has come to my thread. He does this thing where he makes a td:lr which ignores all of the points and boils it down to the worst possible perception of the topic at hand. You are doing that here. Yes, any weapon is point and shoot. But the calculation involved in aiming each weapon varies based on what that weapon does. This one lobs grenades? Oh, it's point and shoot, just like an AR. No, it's nothing like an AR, and ignoring it's differences doesn't change the fact that those differences exist. I can shoot a mass driver fine as well. But I also had to put a lot of time into learning how to use it well. And I can still switch to an AR and typically get 5-10 more kills than I would have with a MD. I've heard the same from every mass driver user I've ever seen post in these forums. (awaiting random MD troll to pop up claiming otherwise) This is an attempt to encourage people to break out of molds. If you are truly devoted to ARs, then a slight WP drop isn't going to harm you. But if you are trying to maximize your WP for better after battle rewards, you can try a different weapon and attempt to master it so you can profit more. If you are a sniper, it encourages you to do more than snipe from the redline. It encourages variation in what players are using in matches without forcing it, and it encourages branching out which can help further prolong the life of the skill tree. I appreciate your stance on it, but I believe if people think long enough about it (asking a lot of the internet community here, I know ) it would benefit us all. It would add more flavor to pub matches, perhaps lighten the number of redline snipers a bit, reduce pollution, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, and bring peace to the WORLD! Well... maybe anyway... Note: Sorry for comparing you to Zitro, I used to get trolled by him all the time and your remark reminded me of it. Ahhhh... memory lane...
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 297	Posted - 2013.03.10 06:22:00 - [4] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Baal this is the second post where I have seen you mention my name, are you the guy sending me love mails on alts PS your idea is stupid Glad you try to keep up with my work, it's about time my references pulled you out of the woodwork. It seems you post and disappear quite a lot for someone who used to be so active around here. I miss my troll target so bad.... =( Please write a thread soon? I promise I'll be gentle. Edit: PS I toss ideas like this when I get bored. And I get VERY bored when my bandwidth get's taken up by downloads and Netflix (my poor feeble little internet connection....)
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 300	Posted - 2013.03.10 16:29:00 - [5] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: As I was going to post: Comments such as This must be a troll thread I stopped reading at x paragraph I stopped reading when I realised OP was a [insulting adjective] kitten I stopped reading because the next post after OP was an I stopped reading post. I didn't read at all, but here's my opinion. I made up a tl;dr version for you, but I didn't read the post properly. is this a troll thread? Because this idea is ridiculous Simply shut down any imaginative, intuitive, hopeful feedback. The majority of the population are probably afraid to suggest their own ideas because of the minority who keyboard warrior (including me) and bash threads for the sake of it. My dropship thread was received relatively well compared to others. But I spent a good day working on it before I posted it. A few hours on the main ideas, then the rest of the time attacking my own bloody thread trying to find every kittening angle it could be looked at negatively to foolproof it against the above posts. We really need to stop cutting people down to our own ignorant heights; and blinding them to their own genius. Tl;dr: you're all douchebags. No, this isn't really a troll thread. It's more of a.... "I'm bored and I see no interesting threads, so let's discuss odd directions the game could take" thread.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 302	Posted - 2013.03.10 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote Sigh..... Do I really need to start posting a disclaimer at the top of my threads when I write them like this? Of course it's a bad idea... ok, look up 3 posts from here, just above Iron Wolf's post. Tell me what you see.