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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:40:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't know what crawled up some peoples ear lobes these days however but most beta's are not perfect and are still works in progress. Console betas just plain suck though as most of the time it is a completed product.
Dust 514 barely has all the features its planning to have over the next 10 years. This isnt like mass effect which most of the DLC stuff was already or mostly on disk and you bought access to that part of the disk whent he clock is right to give players reason to keep comming back months after release.
In dust 514's case majority of the assests are not constructed yet, not existent yet, and not even thought about yet.
I know there is a large amount of furstation at the rate of development, on the flip side the developers are wishing for more time, deadlines are fast approaching and they're been in busy mode ever since getting on TQ. Just being on TQ probably ate so many resources and time it is very hard to conceive how much effort it took to make that possible.
After all Dust 514 is a very very special Eve Online Client with different skin and display engine. I hope you realize that the other 99.9% percent of us want real game to play. You treat dust like an academic exercise to further your college education. You being a CCP loving fanboi spends more time worrying about iteriation 5 of the cpm0 circle jerk then you do about playing the game. Stop making excuses for ccp. If I am paying for a game it has to be more then the **** the ccp has given us now. If my aurum was refundable they I would go back to being optimistic. Since ccp has our money now they seem to have little incentive to deliver. 7 weeks on TQ and nothing new and almost 3 months since last crap build that barely fixed anything, worse maps, no new content. Trust me if the next build is **** Ill be banned in short order. To many good games coming out to waste any more time or money on this. Maybe people like you need to quit the beta then. Its obviously not healthy for you. Then the simple fact you're trying to play this game as a gamer and not a tester is not helping the game development, telling me to play more? How about you test more? I am testing more than you are at least. Right now I am investigating loss of modules when you get revived and seeing if its possible to lose modules outside the battlefield. Go ahead ***** and whine about balance issues, thats something you have access and I wont for years with the skill points the way the are. I am tracking down bugs and stomping them. I do community work where I can becuase I am away from my ps3 most of the day and its the only thing I can do while away. If it means answering question in local on how to play, commenting on live streams on helping out the player figure the game out, pointing players to where they can join corps, point them on helping file petitions and where to file and how to file them, submitting bug reports, answering player questions on the forums, brining off site news to this site when the community devs miss out a bit. I would like to play more but I have college to attend to and things to do in real life that need not concern you either scrub. Its a beta, its in testing, its not done, wtf do you expect? eve online? Listen up *****. CCP may call this game a beta but as long as they take my money its a ******* REAL GAME. Only a nieve brainwashed fanboi like yourself can't see that. There are a lot of people that contrbute to this community not just your self fanboi. Don't expect some sort of "oh he looks for bugs, we should listen to him" bullshit to ride. All you ever ******* do is blindly defend ccp. Stop trying to get a job with them and play the game for what it is and tell the truth. I have high expectations for the next build. If ccp fails then I and many other players wont care because we will be playing something else. Then you will have a new batch of players to say "O well it was just released. What do you expect?" Then a year later "Game is only a year old. Eve was bad still 1 year in and look how far it has come"
Just a heads up, there have been plenty of unreleased games that cost money. Remember that last NFS demo that cost like 20 bucks? Or Dissidia 012: Duodiecium Prologus? And how about the Planetside 2 beta last year? This scene look familiar? And the money you spent here was voluntary, not necessary for you to get to play. If you regret your purchases, that's your fault for spending your money on an unfinished product, not CCP's.
Also, you are getting far to excited over this. Let it play out. If you want to leave, then leave. No one is twisting your arm here. Leave and come back when you feel it's lived up to your expectations if it ever does, but don't blast others for having faith in CCP just because you feel you were let down. YOU are the one keeping you here, go play COD since you feel it's so "epic from the start". Go play Planetside 2. Play BF. Hell, play ANYTHING ELSE, but unless you are going to be constructive, quit mucking up the forum with pointless whining about how bad the game is and how slow it's progressing even though you spent money on it. That does absolutely nothing to help things along here. You want it to progress faster? Maybe quit starting arguments like this so we can have constructive conversations without getting distracted by this kind of BS. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.03.05 22:38:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Just a heads up, there have been plenty of unreleased games that cost money. Remember that last NFS demo that cost like 20 bucks? Or Dissidia 012: Duodiecium Prologus? And how about the Planetside 2 beta last year? This scene look familiar? And the money you spent here was voluntary, not necessary for you to get to play. If you regret your purchases, that's your fault for spending your money on an unfinished product, not CCP's. Also, you are getting far to excited over this. Let it play out. If you want to leave, then leave. No one is twisting your arm here. Leave and come back when you feel it's lived up to your expectations if it ever does, but don't blast others for having faith in CCP just because you feel you were let down. YOU are the one keeping you here, go play COD since you feel it's so "epic from the start". Go play Planetside 2. Play BF. Hell, play ANYTHING ELSE, but unless you are going to be constructive, quit mucking up the forum with pointless whining about how bad the game is and how slow it's progressing even though you spent money on it. That does absolutely nothing to help things along here. You want it to progress faster? Maybe quit starting arguments like this so we can have constructive conversations without getting distracted by this kind of BS. I contribute constructively all the time. Check my threads before you open your mouth kid If you pay ******* attention to any or all of IWS posts he is the one that shows up and bashes people that create threads. Its not the other way around. If someone has issue with CCP he swoops in as super CCP fanboi to say "Its just a beta". How is that constructive? It's not if you are being honest. So its not me that starts **** with iws and is CCP fanboi-ness. He sucks as this game and spends his free time in an academic circle jerk theory crafing dust **** no one cares about. I'm just here to call him out on it. The reason I mention "paying for beta" is CCP themselves said (and I paraphrase as i dont have quote on my pc) that "no one should pay for a beta". So CCP assured us we would get aurum refunds until go live. Devs on irc told us "its not a offical release" or "it's not full release". When we moved to TQ there was no aurum discussion or notice from CCP. All they said was no more resets. Resets always had to do with sp never aurum. Once ccp got called on it what did they do? no public statement or dust forum post. They simply changed the wording of purchase agreement after the fact.
Yes, you have had plenty of constructive posts over the last several months. You are also contributing to threads that do nothing to progress the game. Discussing how bad a beta is doesn't do a thing to improve it. To improve the game, all you can do is post constructive posts and wait. If you don't want to wait, that's not CCP's fault.
IWS does pop up to remind people it's a beta quite often. Because people keep making threads like this that do nothing to try to improve it. Threads like this draw people away from threads that are actually attempting to submit ideas to improve the beta. It is distracting away from people actually trying to fix things. It may not be constructive when IWS posts that it is a beta, but at least he only does it when a thread is derailing into a pit of "this game isn't as good as it's supposed to be, QQ, QQ, QQ"
CCP has been bad at alerting us to changes that they make, but continuing to complain about it weeks and months after it was done doesn't help anything.
If you want the game to be good, don't QQ about it. Try to fix it with constructive posts. Every QQ post you put up is one more distraction from the constructive posts you have put up. You want the game to get better? Quit making people waste their time by responding to your whining when they could be coming up with ideas to fix existing issues. |
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Posted - 2013.03.05 23:19:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:well its better than once a year call of duty, and battlefield are going to have. Battlefield has had 5 major content expansions over the last year. All brought new game modes, new maps, and several had new weapons and vehicles. DUST wishes they could be on Battlefield's level. Mind you, the only reason I'm still here is faith in the vision, but I badly need to see some proof on the ability to execute.
BF is also a full, stable release. Sorry, couldn't help it. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.03.07 04:49:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:Not sure what to say - on both sides really, 3-6 months is a long time for FPS players as they are not used to the MMO aspects of updates, at the same time, CCP needs time to develop :)
there's only one way to solve this.... FIGHT TO THE DEATH.
Don't we always? |
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:02:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:So you claim to represent the low skill low sp point of veiw in dust? Fair enough then I'll let you have that. As for my tone please take as me laughing at you, not with you. I am embarrassed for you and that fact that you have to defend your CCP fanboi every time you post. You can't even constructively discuss anything that doesn't paint ccp in a good light. I have no problem saying when CCP is awesome and when they fail. It's never personal as I'd still buy them a few beers if I could.
All fps games if done properly are scaled to skill and balance at the top, not the bottom. This game will fail if ccp says "we should listen to the casual scrub player who would rather do pve then pvp. That will make dust better." When you play at the limits of the game you see things differently and how they impact play. dust has to balance gear and vehicles for corp battles not public play. Why? Thats the part of dust that matters. Thats where we interact with EvE.
I am part of a club, but its one for people that are honest regarding the current state of dust. Its a big club too.
Now you see? THAT is an (almost) completely constructive post, and one that should be put up as a new thread. Bickering here among ourselves isn't helping, but this post could be a GREAT thread. It could even be the start for a series of threads.
The first thread could be all about why we should balance the game towards corp battles and how to adjust pub matches to cope with the changes made towards this end.
Then you could follow with a series of threads about specific things and how they could be better changed to be properly balanced for corp battles. Tanks, missiles, dropsuits, weapons, passive skill scaling, the works.
You have it in you Beers, you've done this plenty in the past. Your trolling instincts just get in the way sometimes. Why don't you start the series, and we can all congregate there to discuss fixing this thing instead of wasting time with all of this back and forth bickering? I know you want this game to succeed, otherwise you wouldn't attack it so harshly when it goes off course. I'll join you there in that thread to harass you the whole way through if you like. |
Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Free Beers wrote:----Snipped for space----
Now you see? THAT is an (almost) completely constructive post, and one that should be put up as a new thread. Bickering here among ourselves isn't helping, but this post could be a GREAT thread. It could even be the start for a series of threads. The first thread could be all about why we should balance the game towards corp battles and how to adjust pub matches to cope with the changes made towards this end. Then you could follow with a series of threads about specific things and how they could be better changed to be properly balanced for corp battles. Tanks, missiles, dropsuits, weapons, passive skill scaling, the works. You have it in you Beers, you've done this plenty in the past. Your trolling instincts just get in the way sometimes. Why don't you start the series, and we can all congregate there to discuss fixing this thing instead of wasting time with all of this back and forth bickering? I know you want this game to succeed, otherwise you wouldn't attack it so harshly when it goes off course. I'll join you there in that thread to harass you the whole way through if you like. 1 Asks a pointed question, makes destructive statement. 2 Insults, attempts shame but its an insult. 3 Another personal attack, a baseless accusation 4 fails to see the point of all my posting which means he has a stereotype complex. 5 A totally useless oxymoron lack of sentiment statement. 6 Also a likely lie if they ever met in a professional environment. 1 Makes another baseless fact the number of shooter games with top to bottom balancing is few and far between. Also just further concretes the evidence that he doesn't care as much about newer player experiences/frustations and not believing any encouragement to make it seem possible to get to the 'top.' 2 Makes an ignorant statement on how ccp decides features. Also doesnt seem to understand how ccp is planning pve. 3 States that End game is the only game. 4 Also thinks the game needs to hinge on a feature that was brought in as a last-thought mostly test bed for up and coming center piece FW fights in which Conquest mode will be based off of. 5 Makes an arrogant statement on how the game should run from his point of view, discounting meta, market, territory, wars, and numerous other features that would improve the game far more than just corp battle+ Yeah I agree its sounds really constructive
Ok, taking it a bit far. Failing to see your point doesn't make the post unconstructive, I see the insults as a single offense and not one that needs to be pettily split up into parts (as in it was an almost completely constructive post other than the insults scattered about), and a show of good nature (lie or not) is at least a minor effort to be more agreeable.
You have to have a point to start with when balancing a game, you can't just randomly tweak numbers and hope it all falls into place. Balancing from the bottom up doesn't work since the small amount of invested SP is much to negligible and scattered to approximate and balance gameplay upon. When you balance from the top down, you can line up things better for public matches which newer players will experience first.
Matchmaking is what is needed to help new players atm, and as you say plenty, CCP is working on it. Let them finish it before you get too carried away with labeling ideas for balancing as good or bad. Have some faith that they are working on getting matchmaking worked in a proper manner.
Once corp battles are properly balanced, you can adjust public matches scaled out by the data gathered by balancing corp battles. It makes a lot of sense to start with the smallest matches, and well as the matches where people always bring their best gear every time. Start with corp battles, get them balanced, then it will be easier to see how to balance a match with more players of varied skill levels. I don't say this because I agree with any feeling of superiority that others may or may not have, I say it because it seems to me the most logical approach to the situation. Please do tell me if I am wrong, but in a proper thread on the matter.
In the mean time, matchmaking is doing a so/so job of keeping newberries from getting in too far over their heads, it'll do for now and it'll get better eventually. There is a group working on it just like with everything else, it just takes time
As I said before when you lost your cool at Jackel, please don't act this way because it does nothing but make you loose credibility. Which is a large part of why Beers has so much trouble getting his points across. He has great technical knowledge of this game, but he doesn't always use it productively, and destructive threads like this that he participates in have done nothing but distract him and others from his contributions. And you from yours. We've got better things to do than to argue over silly crap like this when there are so many constructive threads to write and debate and problems with the game to address. Let's get at it and leave this kind of distraction behind, shall we? |
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