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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
79
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:46:00 -
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You already planing to segregate people by control type.... you may also go all the way, and segregate players by regions too.
Once i start playing battles in USA servers in the evening, the packet loss is ridiculous and i can't hit nothing. You should let people " CHOOSE ", if the want to play in servers in their own region or not.
You think KB/M is an unfair advantage ? I think playing i other region servers, is an unfair advantage for players from that region. |
Drommy Hood
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
250
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:50:00 -
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You play on TQ which is in London afaik, and it's there all day everyday |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:18:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:You play on TQ which is in London afaik, and it's there all day everyday Since when does TQ run battles? |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:40:00 -
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Next on the list:
- Segregate players by left/right handed. - Segregate players by age. |
Kovinis Sparagas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
58
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:45:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You already planing to segregate people by control type.... you may also go all the way, and segregate players by regions too.
Once i start playing battles in USA servers in the evening, the packet loss is ridiculous and i can't hit nothing. You should let people " CHOOSE ", if the want to play in servers in their own region or not.
You think KB/M is an unfair advantage ? I think playing i other region servers, is an unfair advantage for players from that region. NO! just no... |
DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:49:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:You play on TQ which is in London afaik, and it's there all day everyday
The "Battle-Server" are placed around the world, not only in London ;)
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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
80
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Posted - 2013.03.05 10:53:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Next on the list:
- Segregate players by left/right handed. - Segregate players by age.
You forgot :
- Segregate players by their Visual acuity. - Segregate players by EyeGÇôhand coordination. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
398
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:13:00 -
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Players are already separated by region usually. Unless something changed |
Bogon Vdemotch
Expert Intervention Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:16:00 -
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END APARTHEID NOW! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1226
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:36:00 -
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Ah, the Slippery Slope argument! I actually like this one applied here. Also, the whole point of the server system they introduced a few builds back was to compensate for latency server-side so we can all play together. I hear what you're saying about lag, but I used to regularly play with Jenza Aranda (UK) and Gridboss (AU) with Jenza leading. So playing on the EU server from the US and AU at the same time, and we all had stable performance. Might want to look into your own connection. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1856
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:39:00 -
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The game tries - in general - to put you into matches with the minimum amount of lag possible. If you're in a squad, it does the best it can for either the majority or the squad leader. I'm not entirely sure which.
But for the most part, you SHOULD be seeing yourself put into local matches, unless you're (like me) one of the rare nocturnal players picking the game up at 4am or something silly.
I also don't agree with controller-based segregation. I think it's a silly idea. |
I HateMyFace
BetaMax.
15
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:50:00 -
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I honestly thought this post was sarcasm at first. I play with people from all over the world and have hardly had any lag. Might be time to look at your connection instead of making ridiculous requests. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
463
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:51:00 -
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Please segregate players by race, I do not wish to be playing with work-moral deficient former slaves nor those cheese-smelling socialistic hedonists. And for goodness sake ban that religious songs being played in-station at all hours, it's making me go crazy!
Also while it pains me to say so, the socalled 'loyalists' should just plain be shot or run over with an LAV. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
81
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:57:00 -
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I HateMyFace wrote:I honestly thought this post was sarcasm at first. I play with people from all over the world and have hardly had any lag. Might be time to look at your connection instead of making ridiculous requests.
Is a "Double-edged sword" |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1077
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:33:00 -
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As others have pointed out the battles themselves take place on what we call Battle Servers which are placed all around the world. These servers are where the actual shooting people in the face part of DUST takes place.
For the instant battles that involve matchmaking we do try and put you on a server that is best for you and will continue to do that. This gets REALLY tricky when we start doing corporation battles. What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is. There are plenty of other changes coming as well to help with this, and we won't force people to fight in any specific region. We are not locking this, we are just trying to provide tools and options so that you guys get the best play experience possible. :) |
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Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
81
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:52:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:As others have pointed out the battles themselves take place on what we call Battle Servers which are placed all around the world. These servers are where the actual shooting people in the face part of DUST takes place.
For the instant battles that involve matchmaking we do try and put you on a server that is best for you and will continue to do that. This gets REALLY tricky when we start doing corporation battles. What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is. There are plenty of other changes coming as well to help with this, and we won't force people to fight in any specific region. We are not locking this, we are just trying to provide tools and options so that you guys get the best play experience possible. :)
Hold on.... we getting Ping indicators ? . And how that will work with the " Control Input " indicator ?.....
More Info please..... |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1629
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:57:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792
Research. It's not that hard.
If you bother to read the link, you will see that CCP it's going to give you the option to choose whether or not you want to play against players with controllers or keyboards. Not force you to play with players who use your controller type.
People need to use the search function for once. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
82
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:01:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792Research. It's not that hard. If you bother to read the link, you will see that CCP it's going to give you the option to choose whether or not you want to play against players with controllers or keyboards. Not force you to play with players who use your controller type. People need to use the search function for once.
You mean the topic where i posted about 6 times?.... no thanks, i don't need the search option for that. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2966
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:07:00 -
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So just because you live in mayasia doesnt give me the right to invade your planet?
I don't think so. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1629
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:13:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792Research. It's not that hard. If you bother to read the link, you will see that CCP it's going to give you the option to choose whether or not you want to play against players with controllers or keyboards. Not force you to play with players who use your controller type. People need to use the search function for once. You mean the topic where i posted about 6 times?.... no thanks, i don't need the search option for that.
So you admit to spewing half truths to other players while misleading players with your original post? |
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Travi Zyg
G I A N T
23
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:20:00 -
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segregating by region is so lame in games these days...This idea specifically is what ruined the community in games like Armored Core 5. Would have had such a better long life if we were connected to the JP players. I'd rather play with a bit of lag and deal with it than ALWAYS play the same smaller group of people. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
82
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792Research. It's not that hard. If you bother to read the link, you will see that CCP it's going to give you the option to choose whether or not you want to play against players with controllers or keyboards. Not force you to play with players who use your controller type. People need to use the search function for once. You mean the topic where i posted about 6 times?.... no thanks, i don't need the search option for that. So you admit to spewing half truths to other players while misleading players with your original post?
No, I admit to misleading the "true" intention of the topic with a FULL truth.
I also remember using the word "CHOOSE" in my OP. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
1082
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:44:00 -
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Travi Zyg wrote:segregating by region is so lame in games these days...This idea specifically is what ruined the community in games like Armored Core 5. Would have had such a better long life if we were connected to the JP players. I'd rather play with a bit of lag and deal with it than ALWAYS play the same smaller group of people.
We don't however want to force everyone to play on battle servers on London when they are in Australia and have a bad connection. For EVE this is fine as EVE operates at 1 tick per second. DUST has a much higher tick rate and your latency matters a lot more. So we don't want to force anyone to play in specific regions, but we want to give them the option to play where they want.
Again, that is just for the battles. Everything else is on TQ in London. This is still one universe. :) |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1630
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:43:00 -
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@panther
The context of which you used for the word 'choose' suggest that CCP will not give us the choice. But CCP has already mentioned and confirmed that they will give us choice. The point of your OP is thus moot. |
Panther Alpha
Blueberries United
82
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:21:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:@panther
The context of which you used for the word 'choose' suggest that CCP will not give us the choice. But CCP has already mentioned and confirmed that they will give us choice. The point of your OP is thus moot.
Ok... i can see you don't getting this... let my explain ;
If you are giving the "choice" to play in server with very good ping, and a control input that you like, will you self-segregate you self or not ?
Will you put you self in a "disadvantage", so can carry on playing with you corp mates ?
Or to put it in another way ;
How much freedom, is to much freedom ? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1631
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:45:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:@panther
The context of which you used for the word 'choose' suggest that CCP will not give us the choice. But CCP has already mentioned and confirmed that they will give us choice. The point of your OP is thus moot. Ok... i can see you don't getting this... let my explain ; If you are giving the "choice" to play in server with very good ping, and a control input that you like, will you self-segregate you self or not ? Will you put you self in a "disadvantage", so can carry on playing with you corp mates ? Or to put it in another way ; How much freedom, is to much freedom ?
Panther Alpha wrote:You already planing to segregate people by control type.... you may also go all the way, and segregate players by regions too.
Once i start playing battles in USA servers in the evening, the packet loss is ridiculous and i can't hit nothing. You should let people " CHOOSE ", if they want to play in servers in their own region or not.
You think KB/M is an unfair advantage ? I think playing i other region servers, is an unfair advantage for players from that region.
Your OP implied that CCP wasn't giving us a choice. How much clear do I have to be for you to understand or are you just trolling me? Of course I like choice to self segregate myself, but CCP already promised us choice. Again, this thread is pointless. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
54
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=590792#post590792
Research. It's not that hard.
If you bother to read the link, you will see that CCP it's going to give you the option to choose whether or not you want to play against players with controllers or keyboards. Not force you to play with players who use your controller type.
People need to use the search function for once.
So can I decide to play against PS Move players and dominate the game?
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Kane Fyea
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
80
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:19:00 -
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Get better internet. Nuff said. |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
210
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:25:00 -
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We will be given tools , but how we use or don't use those tools is up to us. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Greatness Achieved Through Training
12
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:59:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:As others have pointed out the battles themselves take place on what we call Battle Servers which are placed all around the world. These servers are where the actual shooting people in the face part of DUST takes place.
For the instant battles that involve matchmaking we do try and put you on a server that is best for you and will continue to do that. This gets REALLY tricky when we start doing corporation battles. What we are adding in the next release, thanks to the supreme efforts of CCP Nullabor, is a quality graphic so that when looking at battles in the battle finder you get an idea of what your connection speed to the battle is. There are plenty of other changes coming as well to help with this, and we won't force people to fight in any specific region. We are not locking this, we are just trying to provide tools and options so that you guys get the best play experience possible. :)
You do realize that most players are, in fact, complete idiots, and when a smaller pool of players is available they will almost always filter themselves straight out of existence, right?
This is pretty much the number one killer of a multiplayer games popularity, because it gives the player the feeling of their being a smaller population than there actually is, and that dissuades them from continuing to play. |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1876
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Posted - 2013.03.07 13:47:00 -
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Travi Zyg wrote:segregating by region is so lame in games these days...This idea specifically is what ruined the community in games like Armored Core 5. Would have had such a better long life if we were connected to the JP players. I'd rather play with a bit of lag and deal with it than ALWAYS play the same smaller group of people. I'd rather see sensibly-balanced ping tolerances in Armored Core, because that would allow everyone to get consistent games with people, with slightly more lag than US and JP players get in the game now, but with much better ping than you have to deal with in the EU region when people actually in Europe are playing with/against players in New Zealand and Australia (treated as part of the EU region by the game in spite of being closer and having better ping to US servers in games where there's an option).
In Assassin's Creed, they had the balance almost right when they first released Brotherhood (the first game in the series with multiplayer). If they hadn't broken it and retained the broken state in spite of losing players, I'd be pointing to the latest game in the series instead, but unfortunately, Ubisoft are bad enough to make EA look amazing by comparison.
In the High Moon Studios Transformers games (War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron), they've done a pretty good job of this and NOT ruined it by being idiots and listening to unreasonable complaints about matchmaking time. In fact, they did what Ubisoft should have done, and pointed out that the playerbase wasn't large enough to support a playable game with faster matchmaking.
Unfortunately, for many aspects of DUST, this system isn't going to work. For the HighSec/matchmaking based games, it would be possible to include a certain degree of ping-based matchmaking, but in LowSec and any other form of Corp battle, you need the freedom to play with and againts anyone with access to the game, which means it needs to have tight enough netcode to handle the high volume of players it supports even when they're coming from opposite sides of the world using varying qualities of internet connection. This is also a problem in HighSec when you have a 4 (supposedly increasing to 6) person squad, and each player is from somewhere else in the world.
You can't do regional matchmaking when we're ALL influencing events in the same single-shard MMO universe. And it's not even practical to use proper ping-based matchmaking in some situations, so it's a bit of a tricky situation that CCP have to deal with. This is probably part of the reason why DUST is using server-side hit detection, because laggy players would have a horribly unfair advantage if it was client-side. Particularly a problem when a squad is made up of people from NZ, England, USA and the Phillipines. Regardless of who gets a good ping, SOMEONE in that squad is going to be laggy (usually me). Because no matter which server we connect to, it's going to be a long distance from ONE of us at least. Sometimes two. But in spite of that, DUST is rarely laggy enough to be a problem for me, even in squads like the one I described above. In laggy games, I sometimes have trouble hacking things, because the hack keeps resetting intermittently (particularly frustrating when I get it up to one bar short of completion then have to start over), and occasionally my girlfriend has a similar problem with her aim cutting out while trying to stay scoped in with her Sniper Rifle (I don't snipe often enough to have been hit by this myself). |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
611
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:04:00 -
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We have battle servers all over the world and our matchmaking and battle systems will try to put everyone on hardware with the best latency for the players involved. We are however not implementing any rules that say you cannot play with players in different regions which is different from other games with regional shards.
This is particularly important for corporation battles or any battle where the outcome is responsible for changing the state of New Eden. We are working on multiple optimizations and tools for the players to help make this the best experience it can be, despite the limitations of :physics: (we are working on that too, not as much luck there. Damn Newton). |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
443
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Posted - 2013.03.09 13:50:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have battle servers all over the world and our matchmaking and battle systems will try to put everyone on hardware with the best latency for the players involved. We are however not implementing any rules that say you cannot play with players in different regions which is different from other games with regional shards.
This is particularly important for corporation battles or any battle where the outcome is responsible for changing the state of New Eden. We are working on multiple optimizations and tools for the players to help make this the best experience it can be, despite the limitations of :physics: (we are working on that too, not as much luck there. Damn Newton). Blame not Newton, but the sons of YMIR. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
3051
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Posted - 2013.03.09 13:52:00 -
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I dunno, yesterdays' event was segregated and all my 'local' matches where lagrific.
Went to instant battle, no lag. |
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