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Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:35:00 -
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Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
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Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
460
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:36:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:37:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment
Right, because a """"""""""SNIPER"""""""""""" rifle is a Formula 1 car. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
34
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:43:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment Right, because a """"""""""""SNIPER"""""""""""" rifle is a Formula 1 car.
What about players that play tactical sniper as opposed to over watch sniper? There's a lot of isk risk there. What if I mostly use an smg, but carry the sniper rifle for the occasional long shot opportunity?
No sniper equipment is closer to the truth.
Also, stop thinking everything is going to be balanced. Play what you like. New eden will not accommodate to your concept of fairness. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:48:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment Right, because a """"""""""""SNIPER"""""""""""" rifle is a Formula 1 car. What about players that play tactical sniper as opposed to over watch sniper? There's a lot of isk risk there. What if I mostly use an smg, but carry the sniper rifle for the occasional long shot opportunity? No sniper equipment is closer to the truth. Also, stop thinking everything is going to be balanced. Play what you like. New eden will not accommodate to your concept of fairness.
You can play with an indestructible Heavy Suit. It's not about "balance", it's about logic. I don't care snipers, but I do care logic. It's just stupid full your mouth talking about "An intensive game where you need to take care about your money" when you can be with a Heavy Suit in the top of Mordor sniping as hell. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1029
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:50:00 -
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Sniping is stupidly easy at the moment. Standard/charge snipers need a ballistic system, distance drop, and damage modifiers over distance. |
new hulk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
61
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:54:00 -
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Snipers are useless, they don't help win. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
460
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Posted - 2013.03.01 00:58:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment Right, because a """"""""""""SNIPER"""""""""""" rifle is a Formula 1 car. Yeah it's called a sniper rifle not a sniper equipment. Go into the market and under "equipment" there will be nothing labeled "Sniper" Why? Because there's no such thing as sniper equipment! There's only one thing in the whole game with "Sniper" in it and that's a Sniper Rifle and it's a weapon not equipment. So why don't you just start over and write what you mean. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.03.01 02:42:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
There's no such thing as "Sniper" equipment Right, because a """"""""""""SNIPER"""""""""""" rifle is a Formula 1 car. Yeah it's called a sniper rifle not a sniper equipment. Go into the market and under "equipment" there will be nothing labeled "Sniper" Why? Because there's no such thing as sniper equipment! There's only one thing in the whole game with "Sniper" in it and that's a Sniper Rifle and it's a weapon not equipment. So why don't you just start over and write what you mean.
Sorry Mom. I thought Dust players have brains to understand what I ment. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
34
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Posted - 2013.03.01 02:49:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
Sorry Mom. I thought Dust players have brains to understand what I ment.
Yes, we understand. You want to punish players that don't play like you. |
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Nod Keras
CrimeWave Syndicate
60
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Posted - 2013.03.01 03:36:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
I agree with you. Sniper rifle have to be more expensive x10 or 20.
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Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.03.01 03:59:00 -
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What about people who run BPO's and Starter Fits? Aren't THEY bypassing the whole "Risk Versus Reward" dynamic of New Eden? I do believe in balance in this game, but I don't agree with coming down on one particular group of players (be it Snipers, or Heavies, or whatever) because some people feel they risk less. Not when EVERYONE can risk NOTHING by running BPO'S and Starter Fits. The Arbiter is a Starter Fit that comes with a Sniper Rifle. I risk nothing if I play that fitting.
Snipers might risk less, but that is balanced by the fact that they usually EARN less as well. You have to rack up a pretty high Kill score to match what Assault and Logi's can bring in WP wise. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
35
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:14:00 -
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Hagintora wrote:What about people who run BPO's and Starter Fits? Aren't THEY bypassing the whole "Risk Versus Reward" dynamic of New Eden? I do believe in balance in this game, but I don't agree with coming down on one particular group of players (be it Snipers, or Heavies, or whatever) because some people feel they risk less. Not when EVERYONE can risk NOTHING by running BPO'S and Starter Fits. The Arbiter is a Starter Fit that comes with a Sniper Rifle. I risk nothing if I play that fitting.
Snipers might risk less, but that is balanced by the fact that they usually EARN less as well. You have to rack up a pretty high Kill score to match what Assault and Logi's can bring in WP wise.
Listen, I'm going to just come out and say this. The OP's argument - or any argument regarding isk risk - is stupid.
Soon enough, the economy will be player driven. At that point supply and demand will dictate prices. What we have now is just a temporary system to make sure the game can run.
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Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
434
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:17:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:You can play with an indestructible Heavy Suit. It's not about "balance", it's about logic. I don't care snipers, but I do care logic. It's just stupid full your mouth talking about "An intensive game where you need to take care about your money" when you can be with a Heavy Suit in the top of Mordor sniping as hell. Unless you're doing mid-range tactical sniping that places you close to your team, the Heavy suit is terrible for sniping. No equipment slot means no nano hives. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:18:00 -
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Nod Keras wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
I agree with you. Sniper rifle have to be more expensive x10 or 20. ...
What?
That would put them way over the price of a HMG, and those are already expensive.
Grow up. |
Hagintora
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:21:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Listen, I'm going to just come out and say this. The OP's argument - or any argument regarding isk risk - is stupid.
Soon enough, the economy will be player driven. At that point supply and demand will dictate prices. What we have now is just a temporary system to make sure the game can run.
I absolutely agree. I was just pointing out the disconnect of singling out one particualr group of players for doing something that EVERYONE can do. When this game finally goes live, and they introduce all of the features, a lot of the current complaints will probably go away.
Of course, we'll also probably have BRAND NEW complaints to argue about, but I consider that to be a good thing. |
LT apparition
A.I.
13
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:36:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Sniping is stupidly easy at the moment. Standard/charge snipers need a ballistic system, distance drop, and damage modifiers over distance.
Damage OVER DISTANCE Should Not Apply, a Sniper Rifle is a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military center-fire cartridge.
Its Designed to Destroy Target far away.
Also The Farther the round it the more Damaging is too, there a Huge Difference Between getting hit 100-m than 800-m at 100-meters that round will punch right clean through you without stopping, " Clean", However at 800-meters that Round has to Work a little harder to go through the Target" so it begins to tumble, as it tumble is destroys the internal organs, think of it kinda like a Football you thrown, and its not that perfect Spiral Pass..
Sign, LT.Apparition |
LT apparition
A.I.
13
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:37:00 -
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new hulk wrote:Snipers are useless, they don't help win.
Hulk your nuts mans, I prove that Wrong dude you should know. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
36
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:52:00 -
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LT apparition wrote:Icy Tiger wrote:Sniping is stupidly easy at the moment. Standard/charge snipers need a ballistic system, distance drop, and damage modifiers over distance. Damage OVER DISTANCE Should Not Apply, a Sniper Rifle is a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military center-fire cartridge. Its Designed to Destroy Target far away. Also The Farther the round it the more Damaging is too, there a Huge Difference Between getting hit 100-m than 800-m at 100-meters that round will punch right clean through you without stopping, " Clean", However at 800-meters that Round has to Work a little harder to go through the Target" so it begins to tumble, as it tumble is destroys the internal organs, think of it kinda like a Football you thrown, and its not that perfect Spiral Pass.. Sign, LT.Apparition
The only difference between a bullet hitting at 100m, or 800m, is that the bullet hitting at 800m willl carry less kinetic energy (and thus, generally do less damage). Some bullets are designed to tumble regardless. |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
99
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Posted - 2013.03.01 06:00:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote: Unless you're doing mid-range tactical sniping that places you close to your team, the Heavy suit is terrible for sniping. No equipment slot means no nano hives.
Really, it only has one other use: Counter-sniping.
Snipers like to take pot shots at heavies, giving you a nice little red chevron over their position. It's pretty easy work from there.
I pretty much only snipe snipers. |
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Stundryn
The Inf1dels Zombie Ninja Space Bears
0
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Posted - 2013.03.01 06:32:00 -
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LT apparition wrote:
Damage OVER DISTANCE Should Not Apply, a Sniper Rifle is a precision-rifle used to ensure more accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than other small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military center-fire cartridge. <-- Not true. They are a rail guns and fire small pellets.
Its Designed to Destroy Target far away. <--- Harm not destroy
Also The Farther the round it the more Damaging is too, there a Huge Difference Between getting hit 100-m than 800-m at 100-meters that round will punch right clean through you without stopping, " Clean", However at 800-meters that Round has to Work a little harder to go through the Target" so it begins to tumble, as it tumble is destroys the internal organs, think of it kinda like a Football you thrown, and its not that perfect Spiral Pass.. <--- None of this applies...this is not BF3 or COD
Sign, LT.Apparition
Sniper rifles should lose damage over distance. This is not the current Earth Military. This is the Eve universe. Being very small pellets (not propelled by gun powder) they do not tumble. They slow down over great distances and should do less damage at extreme ranges.
However if you want to make them more like military grade rifles. All you need to add is bullet drop. |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
437
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Posted - 2013.03.01 06:49:00 -
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Stundryn wrote:Sniper rifles should lose damage over distance. This is not the current Earth Military. This is the Eve universe. Being very small pellets (not propelled by gun powder) they do not tumble. They slow down over great distances and should do less damage at extreme ranges.
However if you want to make them more like military grade rifles. All you need to add is bullet drop. Are you certain that the Caldari rifles fire pellets?
Wouldn't that make them terrible at piercing anything? And wouldn't they catch air-resistance like a sail and drive way off course? One of the reasons a rifle bullet is so accurate is because of it's shape. It also makes no sense for you to insinuate that the lack of gunpowder means that they aren't pointed. A ball can't pierce through something nearly as well as a pointed rifle shot can.
Wouldn't it be more probable for Caldari rifles to fire something along the line of flechettes?
Also, his point still stands. The slower an object moves through another, the more energy it is forced to expend to move forward.
Actually, now that I looked at the edits you did to his post...
You need to learn reading comprehension skills. He was talking about modern-day firearms, and all of his posted facts are absolutely true.
And it's still a stupid idea for a gun to fire pellets. There's a reason they moved forward from the musket ball. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
170
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Posted - 2013.03.01 09:45:00 -
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The bullet drop at 700m (max sniper distance) for a 2500m/s spinning long railgun stream shot is negligible. You can do the vertical axis math for it (approx 0,3 sec flight, gravity planet dependant).
Also confirming I am the sniper on top of Mordor, the red eye in the sky. |
Nod Keras
CrimeWave Syndicate
60
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Posted - 2013.03.01 16:45:00 -
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Jotun Hiem wrote:Nod Keras wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Need to be a lot more expensive since they have a very low "ISK Risk". They're missing a part of the game. Pretty silly.
I agree with you. Sniper rifle have to be more expensive x10 or 20. ... What?That would put them way over the price of a HMG, and those are already expensive. Grow up.
you have to Think what weapon more risk. snipers are kdr is 10/1~100/1. too much low risk. then why you compare with that?
you grow up |
Lozruet Gravemind
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:09:00 -
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With the way the Sniper Rifles are described in their descriptions (which hardly anyone ever reads) they do not need a bullet drop or a damage over range reduction. Consider that on most maps the distances on the shots are under or around 1000m and the rifles fire at 2500 meters per second, that means that it takes less than five tenths of one second for the shot to hit the target (which is practically not enough time for gravity to effect the round). Also the round isnt a solid round its a "Beehive Flechette". When the round is fired basically the casing falls off after a short distance and a number of smaller needle like projectiles continue on to the target. Now this grouping is obviously very tight as the game shows the hits as a single shot but its more like 8 to 10 "Needles" hitting and each doing damage. |
Alcare Xavier Golden
DUST University Ivy League
37
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:32:00 -
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If you think playing a sniper is no / low risk......try playing a sniper. There are mercs out there who's favorite way to enjoy the game is taking out snipers...
We're hated...we're reviled...even when we killed the three mercs sneaking up on your six...but we still love it...we're still going to do it...and don't be suprised if you come around a corner and see a sniper rifle in your face...
Tactical snipers are real and there are more of us every day...we don't mind being hated...Hate is part of our objective, it targets enemy moral and impacts tactics...you're ticked...you're hunting us...in the mean time my squady is taking your objective or shooting you in the back of the head...as I'm wispering his next target in his ear
The more ranting...the the more QQing...it just shows us snipers that we're doing our jobs...you're actually invigorating us |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
209
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:48:00 -
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Alcare Xavier Golden wrote:If you think playing a sniper is no / low risk......try playing a sniper. There are mercs out there who's favorite way to enjoy the game is taking out snipers... We're hated...we're reviled...even when we killed the three mercs sneaking up on your six...but we still love it...we're still going to do it...and don't be suprised if you come around a corner and see a sniper rifle in your face... Tactical snipers are real and there are more of us every day...we don't mind being hated...Hate is part of our objective, it targets enemy moral and impacts tactics...you're ticked...you're hunting us...in the mean time my squady is taking your objective or shooting you in the back of the head...as I'm wispering his next target in his ear The more ranting...the the more QQing...it just shows us snipers that we're doing our jobs...you're actually invigorating us
^^^ This, except for the part about whispering in another mans ear.
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